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  •  surely wrong on both counts? (1+ / 0-)
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    European antisemitism was principally about the secular, integrated Jews in banking, commerce and the professions (think Dreyfus) who were considered somehow the most threatening precisely because not open about their Judaism as the Haredim

    The 1948 war of independence was about establishing a socialist state of non-believing, secular Jews, not a religious state, in fact the founding fathers of Israel, such as Ben Gurion, made the concessions they made to the Haredim (such as exemption from military service) only because they thought they would remain an insignificant minority  - moreover the ultra-Orthodox were mostly anti-Zionist and were opposed to the establishment of Israel (and some still are, think Naturei Karta and Satmar)

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Wed Jul 09, 2014 at 08:31:15 PM PDT

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    •  Yes I know all that. It does not negate the (0+ / 0-)

      sentiments I observed about the orthodox.  Yes times may have changed but it is a strange double standard.  

      A typical joke was:  

      Q:  What is a mioxed marriage in Israel.

      A:  A Jew and an Israeli

      I don't know how many people are still alive that have numbers tattooed on them.  My barber and grocer did.  I did not make up the sentiment toward the orthodox and the feeling of a need to protect them.  Things may have changed but I can be sure if someone other than an Israeli denounces the orthodox they are in trouble.

      An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

      by don mikulecky on Wed Jul 09, 2014 at 08:42:30 PM PDT

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