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  •  Which makes your point moot (0+ / 0-)

    If the BND is equally as bad than the NSA, then it can't be worse.

    Now, don't think that I want to defend our secret service, who needs to leashed and brought back under control and made more accountable. Just as the foreign ones. This mass spying on innocent populations has to stop, it is undermining the western principles of freedom, privacy and presumption of innocence.

    •  I've always said *at least* as bad (0+ / 0-)

      so I'm not really sure what you think you have but I assure you you don't have it

      Der Weg ist das Ziel

      by duhban on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:32:44 AM PDT

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      •  No, you most certainly haven't (3+ / 0-)
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        It would open a can of worms though about Germany's own actions in the name of intelligence which are far worse.
        "which are far worse."

        That's not "at least as bad" by any stretch.

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 11:36:05 AM PDT

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        •  fair enough (0+ / 0-)

          but I'll concede worse simply because I don't feel like arguing a point I don't think people want to consider with an open mind. There is no credible way to argue that German intel is not as intrusive as anything the Americans are doing

          Der Weg ist das Ziel

          by duhban on Thu Jul 10, 2014 at 01:48:16 PM PDT

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