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  •  Without the pedigree/papers/ribbons, (5+ / 0-)
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    That bitch is just a pound pup.

    And I'm sure everyone in that breed community knows about this. So she ( or a purchaser) won't be able to enter any breed events.

    If she wants to breed the bitch, the pups may have great genes, but again, will lack pedigree.

    The major reason people buy dogs with known pedigree is that it documents the family tree. You know that the parents/grandparents/great grandparents/etc passed certain genetic health checks (like hips, eyes, etc depending on what runs in that breed).

    Without that, you're buying a pretty dog. Healthwise, it's a crapshoot.

    I'd  rather pay a bit more to get a known quantity. Or I'll walk into the county shelter and adopt an unknown for $100. At least then, I'm saving a life and I have extra funds for any health risks she might have. I've done both,

    But I would not touch this bitch, nor her offspring. Nope.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 12:16:05 PM PDT

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    •  the sad thing in all this is that she has a loving (3+ / 0-)
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      home and people who miss her terribly.

      fortunately, piper also has raised awareness of just how vulnerable our pups are when the wrong hands get hold of them.

      breed rescues were originally started by breeders to make sure that the specific breed they love don't end up being abandoned, hurt - etc.  breeders know the peculiarities of that specific breed, whether or not the breed is a good match for kids, specific situations, etc.  and they CARE that the dogs are well matched to their new owners,

      unfortunately, H$U$, peta and the animal rights (AR) people have taken over many rescues and have a very anti-breeder agenda, pushing through spay/neuter laws and owner restrictions in many states.  the irony is that now there is direct evidence that early spaying and neutering actually causes harm (u.c.davis spay neuter study) causing cushings, hip dysplasia and some forms of cancer due to the lack of hormones during the growing phases of the dogs.  the results were strong enough that ucdavis is now expanding the study to multiple other breeds!

      H$S$ (who just got slapped with HUGE fines for fraudulent claims in the ringling brothers circus lawsuit) and peta push the animal rights crap that NO dog should be "owned" by humans - and if they get their way, there will BE "no" dogs for anyone in time. [i'll post links in a few when i switch to my computer]

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 01:22:46 PM PDT

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      •  The Davis study was limited to one breed. (2+ / 0-)
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        http://news.ucdavis.edu/...

        Not all breeds are alike. Goldens are notorious for dying early from cancer. So it made sense to look at them. But I don't know if we can generalize those results yet.

        Conversely:

        Mammary tumors are more common in female dogs that are either not spayed or were spayed after 2 years of age. The risk of a dog developing a mammary tumor is 0.5% if spayed before their first heat (approximately 6 months of age), 8% after their first heat, and 26% after their second heat.
        https://www.acvs.org/...

         Hip dysplasia isn't just a genetic disease:

        Hip dysplasia (HD) in dogs is affected to a larger degree than previously believed by the environment in which puppies grow up. It is particularly during the period from birth to three months that various environmental factors appear to influence the development of this disease. During the puppy stage, preventive measures can therefore be recommended with a view to giving dogs disposed to the condition a better quality of life.
         (see article for study cited)

        http://www.sciencedaily.com/...

        I don't neuter my large breed male dogs until they're at least 18 months old. I spay my small female dogs before their first heat, usually around 6 months.  I know this increases their chances for CCL tears. But the very second I see a luxating patella (common in small dogs) I bring them in for surgery. I don't wait around while the the joint deteriorates. That's not what most vets recommend, by the way. Most vets say "well, if it's not bothering her, just let her pop it back in." And owners are normally thrilled to know they can avoid the cost and hassle of surgery.

         But there are long term effects that we can't see.... until 5 years from now and pop! there goes her CCL.  Now she's older. The surgery is more invasive, with longer healing times and less chance for recovery. And oh, by the way, the joint is trashed from years of patella luxating.

        With our dogs, as with ourselves, we balance risk vs benefits.

        There is no either/or answer here. It's knowing your dog (or if you don't know her pedigree, knowing her breed(s) -- and the lines within in the breeds -- inside and out), what you have planned for her the rest of her life, and being willing to do what is necessary to give her the best possible life.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 02:23:57 PM PDT

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        •  there were two breeds in the study - and the (1+ / 0-)
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          results were concerning enough that davis has now expanded the study to more breeds.

          thank you for the links!  

          as you mention, there are other risks, too, for unspayed females - pyometra is one of those.

          what the issue is for me is that early spay and neuter (4 months as H$U$ pushes) doesn't give the body a chance to use those necessary hormones for growth and development.

          there are good reasons to neuter and spay - but blanket automatic spay/neuter that is part of an agenda without considering the risks you and i both speak of - that is just wrong!

          i won't breed lyublyu - he is not the best representative of the breed - so i won't breed him - i did breed my first sammy - she and her mate had 52 champions in their combined pedigrees - and they were awesome!  after that first litter, though, when i realized how difficult it was in the 70s to find people who understood or could handle samoyeds, i spayed her.

          knowing your dog - the breed - having a wonderful breeder who works to make sure the pups are the healthiest and best possible - that is the best way to get a wonderful pup!

          that said, i've also had my great share of adorable crosses and have loved every single one of the little rascals to pieces.  still, i want the ability to have my samoyed pups.  they are unique!

          btw, what breed pups do you have?

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Fri Jul 11, 2014 at 03:07:45 PM PDT

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