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  •  On that point I have to disagree. The "dying out", (4+ / 0-)
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    that is. I think it's going to take quite a bit of effort yet to shift, and I don't think we can afford to wait while it happens, because there are other major problems that need to be solved now, like global warming, that are going to need the system to be shifted before a concerted effort can be made.

    The case can be made, I think, that it is those who hold most strongly to a patriarchal view that are also doing the most damage in that area. Change the structure, and much of the resistance to other changes may also drop.

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    by serendipityisabitch on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 06:45:33 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, change is essential. (5+ / 0-)

      A very traditional patriarchal structure, the Episcopal Church (who's provenance is Scottish rather than from the C of E by the way) has done a great job at that. Women priests and bishops, Wardens, and other leaders coming in since the 70's has completely changed the tone of the church--an historically patriarchal institution. Not without a fight, I will say, but very few people active in that church today really have a problem with the fact that our province is led by a woman.

      It was indeed a change in structure, but it has involved some "dying out" as well, as had our work with LGBT clergy and bishops.


      by commonmass on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 06:54:58 PM PDT

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    •  Are you saying (4+ / 0-)

      that, in your view, patriarchy (as a form of social domination) is a type of linch pin?  Dislodge or unsettle it, and other forms of domination or, say, political recalcitrance will be loosened up too?

      "It ain't so much the things we don't know that get us in trouble. It's the things we know that ain't so." (Artemus Ward)

      by Silencio on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 06:56:13 PM PDT

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