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  •  Raging moderates? More like embarrassed Republi... (16+ / 0-)

    Raging moderates? More like embarrassed Republicans.

    You guys thought it was a good idea to hand the keys of the party to anti science anti tax buffoons. What could go wrong?

    The GOP sold its soul for control of the House.

    The irony is that a large number of "independents" are tea party types who think Republicans aren't radical enough. Both sides appear to be abandoning the GOP even as they wrestle for control.

    There is no middle. We all must make compromises when we choose our party and vote for candidates. Everyone has to make decisions about their priorities. And excuse me for being suspicious about this guys voting record.

    I suspect the reason he feels unwelcome in the democratic party is because he only votes for Republicans.

    •  I watched an interesting documentary (22+ / 0-)

      yesterday about the evolution of the Tea Party, mostly concentrating on the first two years from 2009 to the election in 2010.
      What it showed was that the Koch brothers glommed onto this movement about 2 seconds after the Santelli rant that allegedly started the whole thing, and the complete denial by the rank and file members that they were being manipulated by Americans for Prosperity to push the Koch agenda.
      This was diaried a few months back here. This was David Koch's platform in 1980:

      Here are just a few excerpts of the Libertarian Party platform that David Koch ran on in 1980:
      “We urge the repeal of federal campaign finance laws, and the immediate abolition of the despotic Federal Election Commission.”

      “We favor the abolition of Medicare and Medicaid programs.”

      “We oppose any compulsory insurance or tax-supported plan to provide health services, including those which finance abortion services.”

      “We also favor the deregulation of the medical insurance industry.”

      “We favor the repeal of the fraudulent, virtually bankrupt, and increasingly oppressive Social Security system. Pending that repeal, participation in Social Security should be made voluntary.”

      “We propose the abolition of the governmental Postal Service. The present system, in addition to being inefficient, encourages governmental surveillance of private correspondence.  Pending abolition, we call for an end to the monopoly system and for allowing free competition in all aspects of postal service.”

      “We oppose all personal and corporate income taxation, including capital gains taxes.”

      “We support the eventual repeal of all taxation.”

      “As an interim measure, all criminal and civil sanctions against tax evasion should be terminated immediately.”

      “We support repeal of all law which impede the ability of any person to find employment, such as minimum wage laws.”

      “We advocate the complete separation of education and State.  Government schools lead to the indoctrination of children and interfere with the free choice of individuals. Government ownership, operation, regulation, and subsidy of schools and colleges should be ended.”

      “We condemn compulsory education laws … and we call for the immediate repeal of such laws.”

      “We support the repeal of all taxes on the income or property of private schools, whether profit or non-profit.”

      “We support the abolition of the Environmental Protection Agency.”

      “We support abolition of the Department of Energy.”

      “We call for the dissolution of all government agencies concerned with transportation, including the Department of Transportation.”

      “We demand the return of America's railroad system to private ownership. We call for the privatization of the public roads and national highway system.”

      “We specifically oppose laws requiring an individual to buy or use so-called "self-protection" equipment such as safety belts, air bags, or crash helmets.”

      “We advocate the abolition of the Federal Aviation Administration.”

      “We advocate the abolition of the Food and Drug Administration.”

      “We support an end to all subsidies for child-bearing built into our present laws, including all welfare plans and the provision of tax-supported services for children.”

      “We oppose all government welfare, relief projects, and ‘aid to the poor’ programs. All these government programs are privacy-invading, paternalistic, demeaning, and inefficient. The proper source of help for such persons is the voluntary efforts of private groups and individuals.”

      “We call for the privatization of the inland waterways, and of the distribution system that brings water to industry, agriculture and households.”

      “We call for the repeal of the Occupational Safety and Health Act.”

      “We call for the abolition of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.”

      “We support the repeal of all state usury laws.”

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      Sound familiar?

      If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

      by skohayes on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 05:23:12 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly-he probably also wants to "reform" SS a... (5+ / 0-)
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      Exactly-he probably also wants to "reform" SS and Medicare by cutting benefits and privatizing them. Unfortunately some Dems do too but nowhere near a majority. We have those who want to expand it now.

      Most "independents" align with one party or the other when you get down to it.

    •  The problem is (13+ / 0-)

      that the Democratic Party is the middle.

      We've shifted so far to the right that what once was the middle is now considered the 'radical' left.  

      I am for lower taxes and for marriage equality. I am tough on crime and I am pro-choice. I believe that a pathway to citizenship is a necessary part of immigration reform and that student test scores should be a critical component of teacher evaluations.
      This above used to be called a conservative.  With the exception of being pro-choice 30 years ago most conservatives would have these positions and there were even a few who would proudly state they were pro-choice as well.  These people are partyless because they let the fucking nut bags take over the asylum and got booted in the process.  I shed no tears for them.  Take the Republican Party back and then we'll talk substantively about issues.      

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 05:31:09 AM PDT

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      •  Yes (2+ / 0-)
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        It's sad just how far our political pendulum has swung, with less than half the voting public even noticing!

        I thank heavens for the right wing pols who open their mouths only to insert their feet, as well as the people who publicize those comments.

        If we didn't have them; if the right wing puppet masters had been able to keep them quiet for another year or two, we would probably be facing a second revolution or another world war.  But instead of Germany, we would have been the regime that the rest of the world was fighting against.

        To the left, to the left....

        by CWinebrinner on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 08:17:04 AM PDT

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      •  I don't really believe in the Overton window (0+ / 0-)

        it's an interesting observation, but I don't think today's Democrats are particularly more conservative than those of 30 or 60 years ago.

        Really, post-FDR, I think that the radical left has always been ignored by the Democratic party. The progressive agenda has always been the first thing sacrificed for the sake of "getting things done".

        That hasn't changed and it's really unlikely to change. The party may move further left (as the progressive populist message gains traction, and hopefully wins elections) but the result wont be a bloom of socialism throughout the land. It will be slightly more progressive policies that many here will deride as "too little" and "more of the same".

        The rest of your comment I completely agree with.

    •  I guess Democrats aren't that easily embarrassed (0+ / 0-)

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Mon Jul 14, 2014 at 05:38:46 AM PDT

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    •  Many unaffiliated/independents truly are (6+ / 0-)

      I have talked with a number of people -- usually when they're doing the paperwork to remove the "D" from their record after voting in a primary -- who say they don't want any candidate to consider them a lock, and they are sick and tired of getting fundraising telephone calls and letters from the party machines. In other words, "unaffiliated" is a way of disassociating from the party hierarchies (DSCC, DNC, DCCC, party hacks in general) and keeping one's opinions to oneself.

      And no, they're not Republican-lites, or "moderates" trying to split the difference. They pride themselves on judging the candidates and not voting lock-step.

      The media often assumes that unaffiliated = some sort of third bloc. They aren't, or at least one can't assume that.

      Politicians running for office as Independents are a different category, and many of them do seem to be Republican-lites and/or people who do not play well with others.

      •  I believe the unaffiliated (independent) (2+ / 0-)
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        portion of the electorate in Colorado is even larger than the number given for California--around 1/3.  The people I know who are independent are very well informed but totally disgusted with party politics.

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