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  •  There's nothing that even a nuanced nationalism (1+ / 0-)
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    provides that beats a simple and mature patriotism.

    My idea of the ideal GOP speech invariably involves negligent intoxication together with huffing helium for that special vocal nuance.

    by Superskepticalman on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 12:31:44 PM PDT

    •  Patriotism is compatible with Ayn Rand selfishness (2+ / 0-)
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      That's the advantage of an inclusive civic nationalism. Without it, there's no "we." Patriotism is a relationship between the citizen and the state. Progressive values require horizontal bonds.

      •  Egregiously ill-informed... (8+ / 0-)

        Nationalism of any sort - well-intended or not -  is characterized by a faith in an ideological view of the state. No-one has ever accused the Founders of nationalism; their vision of this country was rooted in self-government received from their English roots, the preservation of those institutions at home, and the resistance to turning them into overseas causes.

        Read any variety of J.Q. Adams' Independence Day speeches to get this gist of this view from one who witnessed not just the birth of this country but the descent of the country into ideological, nationalistic poison.

        Liked this def from a Nation article: "Patriotism is simply the loving, honoring, defending and improving of the ideals and rights contained in our constitution and laws.  It is the continued striving to realize the “liberty and justice for all” that we pledge. It is our enduring wish to become that which we believe and say we are."

        Whatever patriotism is elsewhere, and whatever nationalism is anywhere, this sums up the best of American patriotism nicely.

        http://www.thenation.com/...

        My idea of the ideal GOP speech invariably involves negligent intoxication together with huffing helium for that special vocal nuance.

        by Superskepticalman on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 01:06:42 PM PDT

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        •  Says you. But fine, as I said above, call it (1+ / 0-)
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          something else if the term nationalism bothers you. But the point remains the same. If there are no horizontal ties binding together a people who live in a country, that's a recipe for hyper-individualism.

          •  Our "horizontal ties" (2+ / 0-)
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            are the constitution.

            We could solve a lot of the problems you describe by passing several amendments, like the ERA, a voting rights amendment (as in actually giving us the right to vote), an only-people-are-people amendment, among others.

            "Providing for the general welfare" is already in the preamble, but we have trouble doing it because of the abuses of those in power that the above amendments would work to rectify.

            I get what your saying, but our communal duty as humans is global - it doesn't stop at arbitrary borders. We are a nation of laws, and it's those laws that bind us together.

            Mediocrity cannot know excellence ~ Sherlock Holmes

            by La Gitane on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 02:32:27 PM PDT

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