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  •  you hit the nail on the head (1+ / 0-)
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    Ian Reifowitz

    I rec'd you comment because it really makes sense. strategically, Liberal-Nationalism is fine, but to actually believe in it is foolish nonsense. Its flawed because the mechanism that must carry it out is flawed. Mankind is simply not capable of complete equality. There is not one example throughout nature where stratification did not eventually take root.  

    "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."- Eleanor Roosevelt

    by calmandcollected on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 01:09:19 PM PDT

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    •  You are coming at it from a different angle. (2+ / 0-)
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      AaronInSanDiego, Ian Reifowitz

      I wasn't trying to undermine the idea of equality, just the idea of the tribe superseding common humanity.  We might manipulate the idea of the tribe to achieve our aims, but we shouldn't fall into believing it's a real thing that we should preserve.  I don't have a definitive view on how much equality is possible, but I see it as being worth pursuing, even if it has to be done over and over again (assuming stratification occurs).

      •  I agree with that (2+ / 0-)
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        RabbleON, Ian Reifowitz

        my point was not to raise the banner of inequality, as an African-American that would be foolish. What I was trying to say in-artfully, was that the idea of Liberal -Nationalism can be pursued but never attained because nature itself presumes and demands stratification, and man who is a part of nature is not capable of full equality. But by all means let keep reaching for that star (equality).  

        "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."- Eleanor Roosevelt

        by calmandcollected on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 01:46:29 PM PDT

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        •  Our conversation is reminding me of part of (1+ / 0-)
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          the book called The Human Zoo. It's not mainly about politics, but there's a part where the author writes about humans evolving in conditions that required hierarchy and stratification.  However, a society of millions (instead of bands of 60) creates way way more inequality than we can handle .  So we are stuck with evolutionary programming that is both detrimental and arguably unnecessary (we are not small bands struggling to survive against nature anymore), but we can't seem to shake it.

          •  What is really disturbing is (0+ / 0-)

            how unshakable it seems. Not even the late Gene Roddenberry was able to construct a fiction perfect society without the use of hierarchy. In his Star Trek Universe he relied on  military rank.  

            "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."- Eleanor Roosevelt

            by calmandcollected on Sun Jul 20, 2014 at 02:15:17 PM PDT

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