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  •  You made my points for me (3+ / 0-)

    Peering agreements were mostly gentlemen s' agreements, the caveat being that if things became uneven somehow that the other party helped make up the difference. That is why Netflix (and others) have made offers to providers that  ameliorate and help the peering partner's capacity issues. Netflix has helped backbone providers...and helped themselves...all in the same spirit that peering agreements were made. They offer to provide free servers and other equipment to any peer that needs them, meaning their content has a shorter road to travel to consumers and will be faster. Maybe they even get dedicated pipes. (Interesting sidenote: Pornographers in the 90s did the same damn thing and many of us credit them with being the fuel that backbone providers used to make the internet what it is today.)

    Of course Comcast doesn't fucking like that...a faster Netflix is a cable providers worst nightmare. They think it's unfair that Netflix is helping the backbone providers provide good throughput of their content without affecting non-Netflix traffic? Netflix made the same offers to these guys and got turned down...even when offering cash on top of it all. I'm using Netflix as the example but they were not alone in making offers like this.

    Let's take this a step further by using an analogy to roads and bridges. When a developer wants to build a new office park in the middle of no where the local city/county usually makes them build many of the roads and/or bridges that lead to and out of the new park. These roads are public roads that would otherwise never get built. A city isn't going to build a road just because a developer wants one...they have to help the city build those, too. This is what Netflix has been doing. It's what pornographers did early on in the 90s. We don't need any new regulations except ONE...make NN permanent and inviolable.

    Netflix helping to build the internet they NEEDED was a feature NOT a bug of how the internet's backbone works. And exactly how it has ALWAYS worked. The backbone providers get through it and come out the other end with better capacity and throughput than they would have otherwise. That's good for everyone except Comcast and other cable providers who have been providing miserable last-mile speeds ON PURPOSE because Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, and YouTube are threat to their business model. It's that simple. Other countries have last mile providers with higher speeds and none of these issues. How can ESTONIA do it but we can't? Really?

    •  Thanks for the clear explanation and apt analogy. (3+ / 0-)
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      Unfortunately, you are dealing with our resident troll, and none of what you just told him will make an iota of difference to him.

      Thank you for trying though.

      The hundreds of others who have tried previously.

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      by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 09:30:19 PM PDT

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    •  netflix has never made such an offer (0+ / 0-)

      in point of fact it was netflix's intransigence on that issue that is part of the problem.

      Der Weg ist das Ziel

      by duhban on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 10:35:52 PM PDT

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      •  That's *exactly* what Netflix is already doing (2+ / 0-)

        with Cablevision. It's standard for large content providers to work with ISPs. Please back up your 'intransigence' claim with a cite or withdraw it.

        •  Don't Hold Your Breath (2+ / 0-)

          There are approximately eleventy zillion requests for cities from him already in the queue ahead of you, and that's just on the NSA threads.

          On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

          by stevemb on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 06:07:49 AM PDT

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          •  yeah because I should treat your demands seriously (0+ / 0-)

            while you insult, belittle and bully right?

            Let me spell it out for you for the upteen time Steve, I don't waste my time with people attacking me or 'arguing' in bad faith. I'll debate till the cows come home as demonstrated by my comments with people I think are doing more than trying to waste my time. That includes providing links.

            So if I refuse to take you seriously well I think even you can figure it out from there.

            Der Weg ist das Ziel

            by duhban on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:10:59 AM PDT

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        •  Cablevision is much much more complicated than tha (0+ / 0-)

          After being embarrassed in 2011 it wanted to get it's speeds up and allowing netflix to use Open Connect did that. More over we probably will never know the finical details which is really what this is all about. Open Connect basically places the costs on the provider where as the providers want netflix to pay for it.

          Personally I declare a pox on both houses.

          As to the intransigence let's be clear here Netflix has refused to do what youtube has done for years and only did so with commcast because of the decision in Verizon.

          Der Weg ist das Ziel

          by duhban on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:07:17 AM PDT

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          •  It's not complicated (1+ / 0-)

            The Cablevision deal is a simple colocation agreement. CDN's do it all the time. You can even rent a cage at a data center and do it yourself.

            As to the intransigence let's be clear here Netflix has refused to do what youtube has done for years and only did so with commcast because of the decision in Verizon.
            Again a big claim without a cite. In fact Google is presently fighting the same fight Netflix did. The intransigence here is on the part of ISPs who are screwing their customers out of their rated bandwidth.

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