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  •  Yes, 2008 is when it started (1+ / 0-)
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    By neolib campaign staff adopting divisive, negative, punitive messaging to members of their own party in an attempt to stifle discussion of important issues and public policy.

    2014 is when it ends. Dem women leaders and voters are in charge now and there's no place for abusive, authoritarian messaging.

    Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

    by Betty Pinson on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:44:49 AM PDT

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    •  I'm not sure what messaging you are talking about (0+ / 0-)

      I thought it might be the reference to Hillary as old and familiar, a meme used against both John McCain and Bob Dole.

      It was used against Reagan, too...but not very effective in that case.

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:48:54 AM PDT

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      •  No, I'm referring to (1+ / 0-)
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        Meesaging of the "shut up and vote who we tell you to vote for, no discussion allowed" messaging.

        It always reminds me of the bullying father or husband telling their wimmin how to vote.

        Money is property, not speech. Overturn Citizens United.

        by Betty Pinson on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:20:45 AM PDT

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        •  Oh! That makes a lot more sense. (1+ / 0-)
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          And I agree completely.

          Every time somebody brings up something like Nader in 2000 or "SO...you want to effectively vote for yadayadayada" I get very uppity.  I believe that votes are to be won, not commanded.  If somebody else gets votes that you wanted, it's because you didn't convince people to vote for you.

          Nobody will ever take their ears from the sound of the money machine if we are kept that easily in line.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:27:46 AM PDT

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