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  •  Now we can't even cite *facts*? (12+ / 0-)

    Hamas has been outright encouraging people to swarm the rooftops of buildings that the IDF is about to bomb. If pro-Hamas people aren't happy with that kind of behavior, they should take it up with Hamas.

    And the idea that "both sides share the blame" shouldn't mean that we can't talk specifics about who exactly is doing what. The IDF is phoning people to warn them to get out of buildings before they bomb. Hamas is encouraging people to go into buildings that are about to get bombed. "Neither side is a white hat" doesn't mean we can't talk about specifics like these.

    •  p.s. here's one example (4+ / 0-)

      https://www.youtube.com/...

      30 seconds long. They're also been circulating flyers encouraging people to do this.

      •  You're implying that that house (7+ / 0-)

        is a legitimate military target.  I would need something a lot more convincing than an Israeli spokesperson before I believed that.

        •  Legitimate or not (1+ / 0-)
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          sandbox

          The Hamas guy -- there's no Israeli in this video -- says that they're calling on their people to keep using their bodies to protect buildings.

        •  If it's not truly believed to be a legitimate (2+ / 0-)
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          military target, then what is it?  There are plenty of problems with Israel's policies.  But the only other option is that the IDF is killing Palestinians deliberately and indiscriminately, just for the sake of killing them.  I find that suggestion more than a little ridiculous.  If Israel simply wanted to kill Palestinians, they would be doing a MUCH better job of it.  And they certainly wouldn't be evacuating wounded civilians to Israeli hospitals, continuing to send in food and medical supplies and would cave to the minority of Israeli neo-fascists who want electricity and water to Gaza shut off.  But whether you believe it or not, the IDF does not engage in indiscriminate murder.  That doesn't mean I find all its actions legitimate.  I certainly don't.  And...full disclosure...I am an Israeli and a veteran.  

          The Israeli government is one of those things we call a government, which means it engages in propaganda, like all governments.  Only when we agree with propaganda, we call it "communications."  But whether one calls it "communications" or "propaganda" doesn't determine whether it's true or not.  Why is an "Israeli spokesperson" less reliable than a White House spokesperson?  If you're making a case that this statement isn't plausible, then tell us what you are implying.  Either the IDF believes this is a legitimate target (you and I might or might not disagree with said spokesperson)...or what?  

          •  Is the house the home of a HAMAS soldier? (0+ / 0-)

            I don't know, but I don't think they are stupid enough to hide their weapons in their own home; it would endanger their family.  Or maybe I just can't grasp the idea of using the person I love as a shield...

            ''The guarding of military and diplomatic secrets at the expense of informed representative government provides no real security for our Republic.'' - Justice Hugo L. Black of the Supreme Court

            by geekydee on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 08:39:29 PM PDT

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    •  I'm not taking sides. There are good (2+ / 0-)
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      Tonedevil, Smoh

      and bad Israelis, and good and bad Hamas. It's a complex struggle with good arguments on both sides.

    •  Roof tapping (1+ / 0-)
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      Johnny Q

      Here's a video showing how the IDF "warns" people shortly before their homes are demolished. How would you like this to happen to your family?   Israeli knock on the roof bombing tactic

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