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  •  Well in theory employment contracts and random (3+ / 0-)
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    testing could do just that but I know of no company that does such a thing.  Even the RCC itself doesn't do random testing for birth control pills.

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    by Throw The Bums Out on Tue Jul 15, 2014 at 03:39:18 PM PDT

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    •  A lot of employers have mandatory drug testing (3+ / 0-)
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      So I guess they could screen for contraceptives if they are so inclined.

      Where are all the jobs, Boehner?

      by Dirtandiron on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:45:40 AM PDT

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      •   a scarey thought (3+ / 0-)
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        what else can they test for before hiring?

        and what is stop them from requesting a detailed history of your past prescription history?

        •  Don't they ask for a list of medication you are (2+ / 0-)
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          taking? IMO just them knowing which medications you take violates your right to privacy. This way they can invent a bogus reason to reject you when they find you are taking anti HIV meds, insulin or diabetes pills, chemo meds, or suffer from chronic pain. You can pass the drug test and they might simply never call you back, but the reality is they pre-screened you and declined to hire based on your health situation.

          •  Seems ripe for a lawsuit (1+ / 0-)
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            If you respect your right to privacy and opt not to reveal the Rx drugs you are taking on your employment application, then take a drug test where they say they are screening for illicit drug use they wouldn't find out about the Rx drugs you are taking.  If they do test for other medications other than illicit ones it seems like a gross invasion of privacy that could open the potential employer up for a lawsuit.

            I've never heard of a company doing drug testing for anything other than illegal drugs.

            On the other hand, maybe your Rx meds give a false positive for illegal drugs and you can't exactly explain that you are taking Rx drugs that you didn't reveal in your employment application, now can you?

            Wow, this is a decent dystopian society we're building isn't it? Employers insisting on hiring only healthy employees and performing drug tests to ensure it. I can easily see how an employer could state up front that they test for Rx meds in their drug screens and while they would receive push-back it wouldn't be illegal and with high unemployment people would still apply for jobs there regardless.

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            by rabel on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 08:45:23 AM PDT

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      •  Yes even retail now does that with their (3+ / 0-)
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        employees, before they hired, and in some cases random drug testing can happen anytime.  It is happening in most of the businesses in my area now.

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        by wishingwell on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 07:54:59 AM PDT

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      •  Speaking of employment contracts, (1+ / 0-)
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        isn't the Hobby Lobby employee agreeing to accept health insurance coverage as part of his wage?  By refusing to cover birth control devices and medications, Hobby Lobby is now lowering female employees' wage on top of forcing them to pay for something that was part of their wage until this suit.

        "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing" - Edmund Burke

        by SueDe on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:08:15 AM PDT

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        •  SueDe - all of Hobby Lobby's employees (0+ / 0-)

          are "at will" and have no contractual standing. Their wages and benefits can be lowered at any time without any legal liability. It sucks, but those are the facts. The only remedy the employees have is to find another job and quit.

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          by VClib on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 11:06:09 PM PDT

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      •  Illegal to ask for health information (1+ / 0-)
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        Before and during employment.  There are several federal laws that protect employees.  The only exception is drug testing and that is limited to illegal drugs and sometimes alcohol.  Federal law requires certain contractors and DOT employees be subject to random testing because of public safety.

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        by gtghawaii on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 12:22:23 PM PDT

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