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  •  I think she will be nominated (4+ / 0-)
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    88kathy, Wee Mama, Laurel in CA, elwior

    and can live with it, but the future must be lived and not just foretold.  

    I have noticed even people who claim everything is predestined, and that we can do nothing to change it, look before they cross the road.

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    You never know.  

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    by TomP on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:03:22 AM PDT

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    •  I have not even looked in the basket, let alone (0+ / 0-)

      counted my chickens.

      All I am saying is using this decision time to put down HRC is stupid. Why not put down Sebelius or Murray or Pelosi?  Why don't we rip Sebelius, Murray and Pelosi to shreds while we are at it. I mean we want Warren to win don't we. /s

      I wish HRC H8 was banned from the site like CT. In fact make that one better all Democrat H8.

      Maybe they will come up with a strategy for this at NN. I'm hoping.

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      by 88kathy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:10:06 AM PDT

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      •  I disagree. People can write what they want. (3+ / 0-)
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        88kathy, DiesIrae, elwior

        While I disagree with hatred of Secretary Clinton, issue criticism is entirely legitimate.  

        This place is about debate and discussion, among other things.  Who our nominee will be is important.  

        A cite that only praised all Dems would be boring and people would leave.

        While I do tire of constant attacks on Democrats, including Obama and Clinton,  most are legitimate debate and belong here, even when I disagree.

        The debates here will sharpen your skills are promoting Hillary Clinton, if you so desire.    

        Yes, the Warren boomlets can be silly sometimes since she endorsed Secretary Clinton,  but people got the right to do so here.

        I also agree with pushing Democrats leftward.  The inequality we have today along with the ecological crises, demands that action.  While I have fought with people like Ray Pensador and others, and see Marxist/anarchist arguments misplaced, even they deserve a voice here.

        Thinking back to Denise's controversial post -- she asked if you hate the place so much and don't like Dems, then why are you here?   She did not say, "you should be expelled from here."

        Your position that arguing about Hillary now detracts from the election is a legitimate one, but not the only one.  It also is legitimate to debate regarding who will be and who should be the potential president in 2017.  

        Let 1000 flowers bloom, let 1000 schools of thought contend.  

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        by TomP on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:23:33 AM PDT

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        •  I agree with you. I get called HRC booster because (3+ / 0-)
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          I hate the politics of destruction and stand behind Democrats like a union steward with a jacket and a cause. And I will support ALL Democrats no matter what I am called.

          Dirt on HRC dosen't help Warren. And those digging it are suspect to me.

          I am enjoying watching it unfold and have no predictions for 2 years from now.

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          by 88kathy on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:29:10 AM PDT

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          •  We're cool. (3+ / 0-)
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            It's ok to be a HRC booster.

            And I will support ALL Democrats no matter what I am called.
            Me too.

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            by TomP on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 10:32:54 AM PDT

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          •  I don't like the mud-slinging either. (0+ / 0-)

             My hope is for an open primary contest, which I believe would come down to Warren vs. Clinton in the end.
              I'll support Warren in that event, and hope for a clean contest, which I think is a good possibility given the people (candidates) involved.
               Also, it would constitute history in the making, given that in such a contest, the first woman presidential candidate would be nominated. I don't think either woman would want to play a part in blowing it for the other.

            "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

            by elwior on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 03:22:35 PM PDT

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