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  •  Something is better to start with than nothing (16+ / 0-)

    It will depend on whether or not either party puts forward a ceasefire that isn't obviously going to be rejected outright. Hamas put forward a ceasefire earlier, hopefully this is negotiation of a sort and not just them pretending so they can take PR swipes at each other.

    No War but Class War

    by AoT on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 02:52:35 PM PDT

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    •  Hamas wil tomorrow. (6+ / 0-)
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      The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
      Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

      by InAntalya on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 03:03:58 PM PDT

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      •  Is that the 10 year one? (4+ / 0-)
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        Or a different one?

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Wed Jul 16, 2014 at 03:08:08 PM PDT

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      •  I'm guessing (4+ / 0-)
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        The proposal will be laughed at for a bit, and then shortened to 2 lines. Historically, the side losing an armed conflict doesn't really get to make/win demands during a negotiation.

        1. Israel will stop bombing and reopen any crossings that were closed due to conflict
        2. Hamas will stop firing rockets.

        But hey, I'd be OK with the Egypt crossing being opened as long as UN inspectors were present to prevent weapons from entering. Same with the sea ports.

        I don't see Israel saying "sure, we'll open the ports so you can rearm and we can do this all again in 90 days".

        That is unless Hamas is willing to give something up as well. But again, I'd be skeptical of that happening.

        •  Clearly (4+ / 0-)
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          we need something more than hitting a re-set button.  There are structural issues that each side must address.  And both sides are as much governed by internal political contests than ever before.

          Bibi Netanyahu is taking huge amounts from the loony right he depends on for his power base.  His deputy Defense Minister, Danny Danon, was so harsh in attacking him that Bibi fired him.  Danon went to the press and declared Netanyahu a "leftist."  As I said.  Loony tunes.  Danon is a thug and a fanatic.  Bibi is basically a cynic at this point trying to hang on to the present.

          Abu Mazen's suggestion that PA forces take over the Rafah crossing joinly with Egypt and also establish a presence jointly with IDF at the northern Erez and Kerem Shalom crossings is a great idea.  Except HAMAS will NEVER agree to it.  It would be the end of their political power.  Check this poll:

          HAMAS support is plummeting in Gaza.

          And Bibi cynicism leads him to constantly attempt to shore up a status quo that I think few thinking people consider tenable.

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