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  •  I read Jeff Sharlet's book (8+ / 0-)

    It was frightening......but it did give a lot of background to answer the "who, what, where, why, when" stuff.

    Not to excuse HRC, but every president since the group initiated the "National Prayer Breakfast" has been connected so to speak, including Obama.  Not saying that makes it OK, just saying it is not unique to HRC.

    It is a powerful group.  I won't judge this Pope on this meeting, as meeting with those with whom you disagree is as important as meeting with those who believe in the tenets of Christianity.  At least that was what I was taught.  In my reading of history, the downfall of really following the words of Christ was the making of war, seeing as enemies those who believed differently.  So at this point I will hold on to the hope that this Pope is meeting for reasons other than conspiring.

    I know this Pope is not perfect and there are things in the church with which I will always disagree.  But his speaking out for the poor, for the immigrants, for those without power, matters, imo.

    “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.” Louis D. Brandeis

    by Jjc2006 on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 07:04:32 AM PDT

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    •  I appreciate you comments, but... (13+ / 0-)

      the Pope's "speaking out for the poor" or even immigrants is meaningless until he endorses birth control, as controlling one's fertility is a key to climbing out of poverty. Large families and sick women do not help to alleviate the suffering, it adds to it.

      The church IMO has never been concerned about the powerless unless they can be used in some way to enhance the Church's power or prestige.

      •  My cynical self thinks that Catholic officials (0+ / 0-)

        like Francis and the Archbishop of L.A. want more U.S. immigration from Latin America to boost the Catholic population of the U.S.

        Which would be fine, except that Catholic officials are already attempting to exert political power in the secular arena when Catholics are only 22% of the U.S. population.  

        I like most Catholics I meet.  Some are lovely people.  

        The Catholic hierarchy, on the other hand, wants to strip me of rights, and oppose the advancement of women's and LGBT equality.  

        They've never been like, "Oh, we're 95% of the population of this country, but we don't want to get involved in worldly matters."  Not ever.

        Meanwhile the Catholic Church is still protecting pedophile priests and the bishops who inflicted them on community after community.  ALL the pedophiles and ALL their enablers should be tried, convicted, and sent to jail.  And we let them get away with this not happening, because they talk about Jesus.

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        by cai on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:21:54 PM PDT

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      •  Look I have no illusions (0+ / 0-)

        about the catholic church.  I was raised catholic but consider myself to be an agnostic.  
        However singling out the catholic church seems silly/unfair to me.  While under the last two popes the church has definitely aligned more with the right wing, the catholic church is no worse than the evangelicals, the fundamentalists of any of the major religions.  That does not make it OK in any sense.

        My point is this: Francis rhetoric is far more left in many areas than any Pope since John XXIII.   If there is no action behind the words, it will be sad.  However even the words of a pope tend to have power and I would rather the rhetoric be making catholics rethink their alliance with evangelicals than not, even if it is in just certain areas.

        I agree that the stance against birth control has been stupid.  But the reality is that MOST catholics, even the poor ones, use it if it is available, regardless of the church pushing procreation.   Still the power of words should not be underestimated.  Rejecting some good for lack of perfection makes no sense to me.   A pope pushing for compassion seems better than those in the past who seemed to have forgotten the poor.

        “We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.” Louis D. Brandeis

        by Jjc2006 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 07:29:10 AM PDT

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    •  Then why does he never meet with US Democrats, (13+ / 0-)

      progressives or liberals (other than Pres. Obama)? Why does he never meet with US mainstream and black Christians?

      Nor has the pope stated he disagreed with anyone included in these two meetings.

      Yes, the pope's and US bishops' positions on migration and human trafficking are admirable. But they have not yet put their money where their mouths are.

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