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  •  Good info and thanx but after reading the ... (6+ / 0-)

    ... sourcing, I don't see any "there" there.  I mean, the Pope has audiences with literally thousands of people every year.  Yes, organizations with agendas work their way onto his schedule.  He clearly wanted to meet with protestant thought leaders to , well, let the "Noozhawk" writer describe it:

    On Friday, he left Santa Barbara to journey east as part of a select group chosen to visit the Vatican and meet with Pope Francis to discuss finding common ground between Protestants and Catholics.

    "Here is the request: Can we find common ground to advance the life and ministry of Jesus?" Beebe said.

    Yes, they may have been secretly plotting the overthrow of the world order and a new Inquisition but there is zero evidence of that.  Simply there is proof of a bunch of rich old protestants getting FaceTime with a Pope.  I just don't see anything more.  It's equivalent to stating that Obama shares the beliefs and is colluding with everyone he ever meets with.

    Sorry, I just don't see it.

    •  Putting your words in my mouth is a poor argument. (8+ / 0-)

      FYI, the pope has NOT met with US mainline and black Protestant leaders, only evangelicals who happen to be his allies in the religious right.  

      POTUS is the leader of ALL Americans and has a responsibility to meet especially with those with whom he disagrees. So, no, it's not the equivalent.

      •  Have any of the US mainline and Black protestant (2+ / 0-)
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        leaders tried to get an audience with the Pope?  I'm not knowledgeable on the process but I'm sure its similar to getting an audience with the President, you don't simply call his secretary and make an appointment.  I'm sure you have to get together with a group, submit an agenda, work out details with the secretary, being willing to fly to Rome on your own dime and it probably helps to make a nice donation to the Pope's favorite charity - much like high dollar donors are more likely to see the President than someone like me who gives $75 to the DSCC.

        •  I can't imagine any refusing an invitation if it (3+ / 0-)
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          offered and my guess is that's how you get a private meeting with the pope other than, as you state, making huge donations. Which has happened with groups like the Papal Foundation. The first meeting I wrote about was funded by the Vatican Foundation and the Family. As we know, the rightwing never lacks for money.

      •  But the Pope did meet with our AA President (1+ / 0-)
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        That has to count Betty.  We have zero reason to think he is snubbing mainline and African religious leaders.  He has been Pope for less than a year.

        I'm going to Rome next week, not for the Pope but I certainly intend to see him if I can during this once in a lifetime trip.  I'll see the Pope at mass from a hundred yards away with 2000 people.  I will have as much influence on him as Mike Coe or Joel Osteen.

        I am thankful for the good this Pope is doing and humbled at the enormity of his task

        •  I couldn't find the link to this meeting. But let (2+ / 0-)
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          me clarify something. Every Wednesday when the pope has his "general" audience with thousands of people inside the Pope Paul VI auditorium and outside when he rides around St. Peter's Square, there are special areas set aside although still behind a barricade of sorts. Dozens of people every week get to shake his hand and maybe exchange some pleasantries. So they can say they "met the pope" but it's not the same as a private and confidential meeting. I'm not saying this is necessarily the case, but it may be.

          I didn't say he was "snubbing" anyone, only the fact that only evangelical leaders have had private meetings with the pope and other American religious leaders have not. I don't think that's coincidence.

    •  Have you read The Family by Jeff Sharlet? (0+ / 0-)

      Or his book on K Street?  I think you might be a little more impressed with the meaning of the Pope meeting with this group.  They do not run any kind of official church or religious institution.  They are religious crazy nut power brokers and nothing more.  

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