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  •  You... (3+ / 0-)
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    are part of the problem. By voting for write-in candidates you are helping elect Republicans. That is just a fact.

    In the end, everything comes back to politics... without the political will (forced by the masses) nothing changes.

    by lezlie on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 12:17:25 PM PDT

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    •  (cough) NADER (cough) (2+ / 0-)
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      America's LAST HOPE: vote the GOP OUT in 2014 elections. MAKE them LOSE the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward and are KILLING OUR NATION!

      by dagnome on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 01:45:09 PM PDT

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      •  Lieberman? choke, harf, spew. Gore? no thanks. (0+ / 0-)

        We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

        by nuclear winter solstice on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:13:06 PM PDT

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        •  so, you LIKED Dubya? (3+ / 0-)
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          I'm confused...

          America's LAST HOPE: vote the GOP OUT in 2014 elections. MAKE them LOSE the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward and are KILLING OUR NATION!

          by dagnome on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 07:07:30 PM PDT

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          •  Evidentally (1+ / 0-)
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            In Gore v. Bush, it was a matter of trying to guess who was worse -- at least, for those who aren't as well-off as the middle class.  The poor largely voted third party or withheld their votes, and the middle class elected and re-elected Bush.

          •  no I didn't, but W didn't WIN, either, so stop (0+ / 0-)

            blaming people who did vote against W, even if it wasn't for the EstablishmentDemocrat candidate.

            Isn't that interesting: people keep blaming people like myself,  who voted for a democrat, rather than holding it against Ted Olsen & co. who spread mega propaganda saying that America just couldn't wait and needed a decision (any decision, not necessarily the accurate truth) just so that we could go on. Personally I was flaming mad about that- the Republicans stole the election from all of us but so many dems would rather blame the people who voted "other".

            We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

            by nuclear winter solstice on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 08:31:47 AM PDT

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            •  I'm NOT blaming you... (1+ / 0-)
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              or others, like me, who voted Democratic.

              However, you must admit that without a hefty third party vote, the margin between Bush and Gore might have been without dispute, obviating the need for the recount shenanigans that went on in FL, and in SCOTUS.

              Here's the key point, on which we both agree:

              the Republicans stole the [2000] election from all of us
              Yep - they sure did, and rat-f*cked the entire country over the next 8 years.  For that reason ALONE, a Republican should NEVER AGAIN be President of the USA, and ESPECIALLY now, considering the array of total morons on their "bench".

              America's LAST HOPE: vote the GOP OUT in 2014 elections. MAKE them LOSE the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward and are KILLING OUR NATION!

              by dagnome on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 05:36:00 PM PDT

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              •  when you say things like "without a hefty third (0+ / 0-)

                party vote the margin between Bush and Gore might have been without dispute" you are assuming that if I had not voted third party that I would have voted for Gore. Not true. I would not have voted for Bush either, in fact I had no choices. So I voted for the person I wanted to vote for.
                   Gore did not win my vote and even if I had been on the fence he sealed his fate by taking on Lieberman.
                    In 2016 I am hoping to vote for a Sanders/Warren ticket. Could the Democrats do that please? If the Dems put up Hillary, well I'll probably just vote for the ticket I wanted anyway because voting for her won't get me what I want which is what Sanders stands for. If dems want people to stay/be in their party, they'd better start offering what We The People want.

                We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

                by nuclear winter solstice on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 07:56:22 PM PDT

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                •  I"m not assuming anything (1+ / 0-)
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                  we are each only one vote - takes more than that to decide a national election.

                  America's LAST HOPE: vote the GOP OUT in 2014 elections. MAKE them LOSE the House Majority and reduce their numbers in the Senate. Democrats move America forward - Republicans take us backward and are KILLING OUR NATION!

                  by dagnome on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 08:57:35 PM PDT

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    •  no.All the people who insist we MUST only have two (0+ / 0-)

      parties are wrong.

      We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

      by nuclear winter solstice on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:12:27 PM PDT

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      •  Then the ballot and primary system must change (2+ / 0-)

        I suggest you look to other countries for a better system and consider which would work the best here.

        Please note that lamps in the Magic Lamp Emporium are on a genie time-share program so there may be a slight delay in wish fulfillment. (◕‿◕)

        by Mopshell on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 07:59:08 PM PDT

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        •  Approval voting would allow third parties (2+ / 0-)

          to build up a base over an issue without throwing elections to the other side. It would have allowed people who were so minded to vote for, say, Nader and Gore but not Bush in 2000, and then Gore would have won easily and taken the first available meeting about the terrorists after his inauguration. Or been briefed even before.

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:46:33 PM PDT

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          •  Absolutely (1+ / 0-)
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            Get rid of the electoral college - it's an outmoded system that's outlived it's usefulness. Voting should also be moved from Tuesday to weekends, both Saturday and Sunday.

            Please note that lamps in the Magic Lamp Emporium are on a genie time-share program so there may be a slight delay in wish fulfillment. (◕‿◕)

            by Mopshell on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 12:27:35 AM PDT

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    •  Politics isn't football (0+ / 0-)

      A political party wins votes by representing (or choosing not to represent) voters. If you're a middle classer, would you vote for a party that represents only the rich, while worsening conditions for the middle class? If you're poor, would you vote for a party that represents only the middle class, while worsening conditions for the poor? All idealism aside, the two parties have a stranglehold on the White House. People can vote from among the array of third parties, if they wish to make a point, I suppose. But it makes no sense to vote for those who won't represent you.

      •  The strategy has to go deeper than that (1+ / 0-)
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        Getting the Republicans to the point of implosion will require a bit of help from Democrats. After that, Progressive Democrats will be trying to split the difference with Centrists, not total loonies. After that, when people see that partially Progressive policies actually work, they might well vote for more.

        Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

        by Mokurai on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:49:09 PM PDT

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