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  •  No "collective liberal voice" (1+ / 0-)
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    What we have had for years is the middle class vs. the poor, workers vs. the jobless. There's certainly nothing liberal about maintaining that only those who are of current use to employers/the corporate state are worthy of the most basic human rights of food and shelter. When was the last time you heard some self-described "bold progressive" call for poverty relief for all those who have been left behind -- the unemployable and all those whose jobs have been shut down and shipped out? The last I heard, there are 7 jobs for every 10 people who urgently need one. What would be a liberal response to this crisis?
    (Hint: Another 30+ yrs of merely calling for job creation probably won't change anything.)

    •  every time dems propose anything the criminal GOP (3+ / 0-)
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      Mopshell, sebastianguy99, Dirtandiron


      This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

      by certainot on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:42:45 PM PDT

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      •  At which point (0+ / 0-)

        The Dems then vote for the right wing agenda. It's very enlightening to spend a weekend researching how Dems in Congress have voted on the various issues. When "worse comes to worse," they ensure that just enough Democrats are absent (from the vote) to enable the right wing agenda to keep being rolled out. You might be surprised by the record of the votes actually cast by some who are called "bold progressives."

        •  bull. how come you never criticize republicans? (2+ / 0-)
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          all you ever do, looking at your other comments, seems to be that you try to convince us that democrats behave like republicans.

          if i didn't know better i'd have to conclude you were trying to say "they're both the same", which is usually said by republicans, who have nowhere to go but up, and/or why vote for democrats at all?

          if that case you almost fit the definition of troll

          This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

          by certainot on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 07:43:14 PM PDT

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    •  Pushing for unemployment benefits (1+ / 0-)
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      to be extended but thwarted by a Republican-dominated House?

      Please note that lamps in the Magic Lamp Emporium are on a genie time-share program so there may be a slight delay in wish fulfillment. (◕‿◕)

      by Mopshell on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 07:54:11 PM PDT

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    •  Fear's a possibility why some joes w/ jobs vote RW (1+ / 0-)
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      In my earlier years when I was starting out in my life as a Navy brat following my parents around wherever my father got stationed, and while I was attending high school and later, college, I've had to work part-time for low-paying service sector employers in different parts of the country that implied (or outright declared) that you would get a bad performance evaluation or you wouldn't have a job any more if management discovered on the grapevine that you voted for non-conservatives on the local ballot or if you didn't vote for the conservative candidate or conservative incumbent of their choice.  

      If anyone filed a formal complaint, some asserted that management have proven tactics of legally deny it, while using redirection by turning the issue against their low-on-the-totem-pole accusers, of saying their firing was justified because they repeatedly violated some kind of known rule in their job. For example, the person that file the complaint with a government office that dealt with wage and labor rules, the company says in their defense that the laborer clocked in late three times over the past 12 months.  The complainant was warned, he or she came in late again, so the boss had no choice but to terminate. Thus, it makes it appear as if the complainant was fabricating a lie to fault an innocent employer, just to be vengeful.

      Laborers, faced with such threats of the loss of their job, would either vote for management's choice of candidates and brag about it so their bosses would hear of it ...or the workers wouldn't vote at all and say nothing except it was safer to stay out of getting involved in politics.

      Here's other valid reasons why the working class will vote against their interests. Systematic and continual manipulation.


      As Phil Agre wrote in this much discussed article about the definition of conservatism, "Conservatism is the domination of society by an aristocracy ... [it] is incompatible with democracy, prosperity and civilization in general. It is a destructive system of inequality and prejudice that is founded on deception and has no place in the modern world."

      Modern conservatism's most successful strategy was to merge public relations and politics into a seamless operation in which it could use modern marketing methods to convince people to vote against their own interests. In that sense, right-wing populism is just another marketing campaign for the aristocrats.

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