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  •  How does voting for an amendment that (1+ / 0-)
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    isn't going to pass get things done?

    Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

    by benamery21 on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:17:21 AM PDT

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    •  It demonstrates concretely (4+ / 0-)

      one's advocacy, or lack there of, to working people's issues and helps better define the difference (or lack there of) between D's and R's on economic matters.  That is one term in the calculus of turn-out of NWWP (non-wonk working people).

      That's how.

      The only reason the 1% are rich is because the 99% agree they are.

      by GreatLakeSailor on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:28:55 AM PDT

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      •  Except that since it has no consequences, it isn't (0+ / 0-)

        concrete.  People vote for things that don't pass to pretend they have a certain position all the time.

        Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

        by benamery21 on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 02:04:40 PM PDT

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        •  Weeeel, I guess I'd have to conceed the point that (0+ / 0-)

          It is not absolutely concrete, but it is far more convincing than doing nothing or giving up anytime victory is not absolutely guaranteed.  That last one really chaps my hide - when Dems don't even try; don't even show for the fight.  I've heard them refered to as "keep your powder dry" Democrats.

          The other thing a vote does, and this might be the most utility of all, is move the Overton Window.  That's pretty important.

          The only reason the 1% are rich is because the 99% agree they are.

          by GreatLakeSailor on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:22:44 PM PDT

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    •  this is how things always work in Congress. (4+ / 0-)

      It's part of the political process. One side puts up a proposal for a vote, and one side wins and the other loses. Should only proposals that are sure to win ever be proposed?

      Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

      by AaronInSanDiego on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:41:12 AM PDT

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      •  I think that is the way (1+ / 0-)
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        it works. A piece of legislation is often held back, until they are fairly sure they have the votes to pass it. Otherwise it's just a waste of time wheeling and dealing and finagling. These days so little is done, and what is being done is largely symbolic. I'd love to know what they do all day.

    •  Not the Question (2+ / 0-)
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      You said he voted against it to get things done. So what does voting against it get done? "What does voting for it get done" is a separate question, even if it is also a valid one - for which there are valid answers.

      So what did voting against it get done, since that's your reason to vote against it.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 02:08:09 PM PDT

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      •  That's actually not what I said (0+ / 0-)

        I responded to "why are these people Democrats?"

        I did not say that voting against a failed amendment got things done.

        Iron sharpens Iron. Normal is a dryer setting. STOP illegal immigration NOW! -- Make it LEGAL. If Corporations are People--Let's draft them.

        by benamery21 on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 03:21:27 PM PDT

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    •  It puts you on the record as being for a raise (1+ / 0-)
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      in the minimum wage, for example.
         This way, people who are for that increase would be more motivated to vote for you, people who are against it, to vote against.
         It's representative democracy. If enough people support your way of thinking, your side, and perhaps even your whole party's side will prevail in the next election.

        This is an oversimplification, but it's the general idea.

      "We the People of the United States...." -U.S. Constitution

      by elwior on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 02:54:28 PM PDT

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