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  •  Challenge met, and yet.. (1+ / 0-)
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    you press on - as expected from the D-Party Tea Party.

    Yes, he voted against the ACA three times. Who cares. It's a 55% Romney district. The action was in the Senate - you can bet that Pelosi whipped the everloving hell out of the House, deciding who could vote no for political reasons and who had to take the fall and vote yes. If Barrow was necessary, Barrow would've voted for it, just like Nelson and Lieberman did.

    Yes, they were in "majority houses", but in case you forgot, there haven't exactly been many close votes in the ten years Barrow's been in the House. Either we've had a commanding majority in the House, or the Republicans have; in the latter case, they controlled which bills came up.

    Yes, Barrow is by far the best we can do, and is an excellent fellow. He's certainly no Walt Minnick.

    No, I wouldn't counsel the President to be more like Barrow. I'd also not counsel Barrow to be more like the President. The President lost by a >10% margin in both 2008 and 2012. A white Obama running for GA-12 would have lost by the same margin. You put far too much emphasis on the race factor here.

    Winning a seat is by far the most important thing, because without a majority, Pelosi isn't speaker, we don't control which bills come to pass, Republicans run the Science committee, Issa holds monthly witch hunts on the most recent Republican Two Minutes Hate, and guess what? Eric Holder is still censured.

    My examples stop after that because, in case you missed it, there haven't exactly been a lot of votes cast in the House. There's a reason it's considered the most do-nothing congress since the 40s - there just aren't any votes happening. Certainly none of any importance.

    Got any more? I could defend this fellow all day long.

    •  D-Party Tea Party? (2+ / 0-)
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      elwior, HeyMikey

      Look, you did provide one example of a close vote, so you did meet their challenge. Of course, if only one is the response, it's little different from none - and the point of the challenge stands. And you did throw in a lot that you were claiming met the challenge, so they deserved being rebutted.

      But "D-Party Tea Party"? That was uncalled for. And insulting the reformist wing of the Democratic Party, on the blog that was once defined (and financed) by "Crashing the Gates", is highly counterproductive. Even if you'd "won the challenge", why lose the actually valuable respect of the fellow Democrats you put down?

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 02:13:15 PM PDT

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      •  Because I don't want it (0+ / 0-)

        People like Geogre are why we lost seats like WV-01 in 2010, primarying an insufficiently liberal long-term incumbent who would have easily held the seat. Now that seat is McKinley's until he dies or retires. So thanks, "reformist wing", for putting the House even further out of our reach.

        There's a time to be purity police, and there's a time not to be purity police. Want to reform the party, then primary folks like Diane Feinstein in California, or Chuck Schumer in New York, or Dick Durbin in Illinois, or Dan Lipinski in IL-03, or John Tierney in MA-06, or Stephen Lynch in MA-08. Do not primary backbenchers who are currently holding on to borrowed real estate. Fire the ones in real estate we own down to its foundations.

        •  D-Party Tea Party (1+ / 0-)
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          You're not going to convince anyone to see things your way by calling them the "D-Party Tea Party". That is the takeaway message from my post. It's up to you if you don't take that away.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 03:38:40 PM PDT

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          •  "We shall all hang together, or... (0+ / 0-)

            ...we shall all hang separately."

            On another diary today, about Orwell, there was some mention of Homage to Catalonia, Orwell's book about the Spanish Civil War. The Left couldn't overcome its factional differences and work together, so the Fascists won, leading to 40 years of dictatorship.

            Forgive my easy resort to another cliche: we will learn from history or be doomed to repeat it.

            "The true strength of our nation comes not from the might of our arms or the scale of our wealth, but from the enduring power of our ideals." - Barack Obama

            by HeyMikey on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 12:29:21 PM PDT

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