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  •  Given the dimensions and population size of (4+ / 0-)
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    Gaza, where do you suggest the murderous weapons of terror be hidden? All that open space just being wasted?

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    by ExpatGirl on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:07:56 AM PDT

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    •  Exactly . (2+ / 0-)
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      Where is it ok for them to hide their rockets ?

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:12:05 AM PDT

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      •  Not in schools which is what they have done in (5+ / 0-)

        this instance.

        "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

        by JNEREBEL on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:24:02 AM PDT

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        •  That is not an answer to (1+ / 0-)
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          Where is it ok for them to hide their rockets ?

          "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

          by indycam on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:26:56 AM PDT

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          •  Yes it is. It tells you not to put them where they (10+ / 0-)

            are putting them.

            I'm not their munitions manager and I have no recommendations for them other than to stop firing rockets from civilian areas into civilian areas with the intent of killing civilians.

            It is a crime against humanity as the Palestinian representative to the UN declared:

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            The envoy, Ibrahim Khreisheh, indicated in the interview on Palestinian Authority TV that such a sentiment might be politically unpopular, noting that he is "not a candidate in any Palestinian elections, so I don't need to win popularity among the Palestinians." He added that Israel is also guilty of "crimes against humanity."
            "I am not a candidate in any Palestinian elections, so I don't need to win popularity among the Palestinians. The missiles that are now being launched against Israel, each and every missile missile constitutes a crime against humanity, whether it hits or misses, because it is directed at civilian targets. What Israel does against Palestinian civilians also constitutes crimes against humanity. With regard to crimes of war under the Fourth Geneva Convention —the settlements, the Judaization, the checkpoints, the arrests, and so on — we find ourselves on very solid ground."

            Khreisheh went on to say that the Israeli army warned Palestinians living in Gaza to evacuate before a bombardment.

            "However, there is a Palestinian weakness with regard to the other issue. Therefore, targeting civilians — be it one civilian or a thousand — is considered a crime against humanity.
            Please note that many of our people in Gaza appeared on TV and said that the Israeli army warned them to evacuate their homes before the bombardment. In such a case, if someone is killed, the law considers it a mistake rather than intentional killing because [the Israelis] followed the legal procedures. As for the missiles launched from our side, we never warn anyone about where these missiles are about to fall, or about the operations we carry out. Therefore, people should know more before they talk emotionally about appealing to the [International Criminal Court]."

            "Stay close to the candles....the staircase can be treacherous" (-8.38,-8.51)

            by JNEREBEL on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:36:11 AM PDT

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            •  Are there any (0+ / 0-)

              "non-civilian"areas in Gaza?

              If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

              by skohayes on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 12:39:49 PM PDT

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              •  There are warehouses, and industrial areas, (6+ / 0-)

                and empty buildings throughout Gaza. Nobody here really thinks that a school was used because there was nowhere else to put the stuff. People may say those words here in an attempt to defend Hamas out of hatred for Israel, but nobody is so stupid that they wouldn't know exactly why Hamas uses schools (and hospitals) as hot zones.

                •  Has to be said (4+ / 0-)

                  Exactly as you've said it. They hide them in hospitals, schools and mosques because Israel is unlikely to strike them. And if She does, they cry to the media about how Israel is committing atrocities. F@ck them!!!!

                •  Pure unadulterated propaganda, with all the usual (1+ / 0-)
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                  "hot" words.

                  Always accusing critics of Israel's murderous foreign policy of hating Israel, rather than hating the policy.

                  That approach is typical of far-right "Conservatives": smear the character of those who are critical of anything Israel, all in effort to bury objectivity, and prevent objective discussion.

                  This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

                  by JJustin on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 05:57:12 PM PDT

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                •  it's the DK Hamas Fan Club. (1+ / 0-)
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                  Often based on the naive ideological assumption that underdogs are always right.  Or in some cases based on overt or unconscious antiSemitism.

                  There's a lot of antiSemitism going around lately in the culture at-large, so it does not surprise me that we get antiSemitic trolls around here occasionally.

                  We got the future back. Uh-oh.

                  by G2geek on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:40:50 PM PDT

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            •  It doesn't answer the question. And your ignoring (0+ / 0-)

              that fact in order to falsely insist otherwise a second time does not answer the qusetion.

              You wre asked where it is acceptable for the Gazans to hide their missiles.  We know your answer:

              The Gazans should be 100 per cent unarmed so Israel can "have its way" with the Gazans, without having to go to the effort of coming up with ways of blaming the Gazans for the actions of Israel.

              Clearing the land of non-Israelis/Jews for the "Greater Israel" should be kept under the radar -- which could be done if the "terrorist" Palestinians didn't insist that they have a right to fight back.

              This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

              by JJustin on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 05:54:49 PM PDT

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        •  The vacant schools? (2+ / 0-)
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          by ExpatGirl on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:33:30 AM PDT

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      •  On a military installation (8+ / 0-)

        Civilized countries, those who do not wish their citizens to be their human shields, do not store or fire missiles from and around schools, hospitals, playgrounds and other non-combatant structures, especially knowing that there will be a targeted reprisal in return. Then again, civilized countries generally do not fire thousands of missiles and mortars over a decade purposely toward non-combatants in hopes of committing mass murder, so it's no surprise that Hamas and its fellow terrorist groups use civilian areas as weapons depots and launch sites.

        "The perfect is the enemy of the good." -- Voltaire (Find me on Twitter as @JonathanEzor}

        by ProfJonathan on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 01:41:34 PM PDT

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        •  Hamas is AAHMSE, like all the (1+ / 0-)
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          other radical islamist groups.

        •  Civilized countries are also allowed by the (0+ / 0-)

          outside world to have their own legitimate defensive forces.  The Gazans aren't allowed that -- by Israel -- because Israel has no intention of allowing the Palestinians out from under Israel's iron boot.  Not because the Gazans are violent; but because it keeps the Gazans fighting back with rocks, against tanks, and that is Israel's provoked excuse for guaranteedly killing civilians as part of the process of clearing the land for "Greater Israel".

          This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

          by JJustin on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:00:45 PM PDT

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      •  How about Israel follow your advice? (3+ / 0-)
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        Oh. Wait. Self-defense.

        In our criminal justice system, a Republican is presumed innocent until the 2nd Coming. - Gooserock

        by ExpatGirl on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:34:10 AM PDT

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          •  Then get ready for the next round of self defense. (2+ / 0-)
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            IDF is reported in today's New York Times, front page, to be considering an invasion and reoccupation of Gaza for a period of months or more, or portions thereof, which were described as the ones with tunnels or with rockets, but that is not helpful in figuring out scope.  And a hundred thousand folk more or less have been notified by Israel that they must leave their homes because if they do not their lives are in danger. One of the stated reasons in the NYT article was that this mess was interfering with the summer school holiday for Israeli children. No snark.

            We now have a situation where Israel is trying to compress the same number of humans into a smaller and smaller area, with well publicized threats, now accompanied by a promise of reoccupation of some or all of it. Invasion to follow.  I wonder how long it will be before Israel reannexes the area it will have cleared by this process of intentional intimidation directly to individual families identified by their telephone numbers or addresses. Personal notice to each one.

            It is simply not the case that Israel has the right as a government with an army to decide to invade and evict persons from an area it insists is not within its actual jurisdiction  by threats to kill  tens of thousands of civilians, and the conveniently timed killing of kids on a beach on the premise that they thought somehow one of the sheds on that beach was  being used by Hamas, as a sample,and call that self defense. As it is the first Israeli to die in this did so several days into this round, by which time there were several score dead Gazans, half or more of whom were mushrooms, ordinary citizens unrelated to the supposedly ever so meticulously targeted Hamas folk.

            And it will be called  self defense, and land abandonment when there are so many people crushed together, none of them Israelis of course, that they flee into Egypt, and Israel takes back the rest of Gaza and gives it to Israelis again, reminding all  still again that it has NO responsibility for refugees outside the country.

            AnythingVlady can do, BIbi can do better.
            Bibi can do anything  he wants.  And like us, his extremes are already calling him a leftist for not doing more.

            •  And if only this could have been... (6+ / 0-)

              ...avoided somehow!

              Like, perhaps if the genocidal terror organization running Gaza hadn't committed thousands of war crimes in the form of shooting thousands of missiles at Israeli civilians, and refused to stop even after a cease fire accepted by Israel?

              Oh hey, why didn't anybody think of that!

            •  The cease fire was good enough for Israel (2+ / 0-)
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              Without conditions. Hamas bears the responsibility of EVERY death as a result of Israel's ground offensive. I hope the IDF roots out every rocket, launcher, mortar, small arms and every last bullet in Gaza.

              •  Those who kill are responsible for the killings (0+ / 0-)

                they do.

                Oh, forgot: the victim asked for it.

                This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

                by JJustin on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:04:51 PM PDT

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            •  Collective punishment is a war crime. Except (0+ / 0-)

              when friends/protectees of the US do it.

              This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

              by JJustin on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:03:47 PM PDT

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          •  It is a bit silly to call what Israel is doing (3+ / 0-)
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            "self defense" at this point, don't you think?

            If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

            by skohayes on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 12:41:49 PM PDT

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          •  Palestinians don't have a right of self-defense. (0+ / 0-)

            They are required to lie down and die, or desert Palestine to the greed of Israel.

            This is the country of those three great rights: freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, and the wisdom never to exercise either of them. -- Mark Twain. A lie is half way around the world before the truth can get its shoes on. -- Mark Twain.

            by JJustin on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 06:01:41 PM PDT

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    •  So, you are advocating that (14+ / 0-)

      Hamas continually violate the Geneva Conventions and commit war crimes in violations thereof?

      Anyone arguing that there's no difference between the parties is a fucking moron who can simply go to hell. -- kos

      by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Thu Jul 17, 2014 at 11:43:39 AM PDT

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    •  They could store them in Iran (16+ / 0-)

      or here's a radical idea: they could not buy the missiles at all. Instead, they could spend that money on food, and medicine, and building up the economy and civic institutions of Gaza.

      Nahhhhhhh.

    •  Wow. A Kossack justifying the (7+ / 0-)

      use of a school to store weapons. And a few recs as well. I think we're starting to lose our moral compass here. This is NEVER acceptable. This makes schoolchildren into military targets. I don't think that anybody here is stupid enough to actually think that the bombs were stored in a school because there was not enough space to store them elsewhere.

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