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  •  The U.S. can't be the refugee camp of the world (1+ / 0-)
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    It would be extremely unwise to believe that we can solve the world's poverty and corruption problems by absorbing the hundreds of millions of refugees who want to escape these appalling conditions.  Not even to mention what it would do to the worlds environment if we tried to extend our wasteful and damaging consumer culture to these refugees.

    Obama has it right.  Of course those who face immediate danger if returned should be allowed to stay, but those who don't, should be returned to prevent the floodgates from opening.

    In an overpopulated world with rapidly diminishing resources, a country that so abuses it's citizens that they create a refugee problem, should be considered acting in a warlike manner against the country the refugees are fleeing to.

    Sanctions, help, or even covert action should be taken against countries that produce refugee problems for their neighbors.

    If you think these children refugees are a problem now, wait until mid century when global warming severe weather events produce a billion or more refugees.

    And ask Jimmy Carter how unplanned, sudden influxes of refugees works out politically.

    •  We are not talking about "hundreds of millions" (6+ / 0-)

      And we are talking about dealing with the consequences of US policies.

      This sounds like talking points straight from the Democratic Leadership Council, or Third Way.

      Let America be the dream the dreamers dreamed (It never was America to me.)

      by Texas78704 on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 11:14:31 AM PDT

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    •  Yep...and, of course, any money he needs... (0+ / 0-)

      ...to help those who aren't deported will only come from a House that gets a legislative remedy designed to deter more from coming.

      You see, pollwatcher, we here at DK like to talk in terms of what looks good POLITICALLY.

      OF COURSE we could demand more and toss tomatoes at the GOP, but in the end ALL the children down there would suffer. We need to do what we can for as many as possible, but it is not feasible to think that we can allow them all in to stay.

      Adequate health care should be a LEGAL RIGHT in the U.S without begging or bankruptcy. Until it is, we should not dare call our society civilized.

      by Love Me Slender on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 11:30:13 AM PDT

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    •  Other countries do much better. (2+ / 0-)
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      Sweden has taken in more Iraqi refugees than the United States, for example.

      So no, Obama doesn't have it right. Not by a long shot.

      In an overpopulated world with rapidly diminishing resources, a country that so abuses it's citizens that they create a refugee problem, should be considered acting in a warlike manner against the country the refugees are fleeing to.

      Sanctions, help, or even covert action should be taken against countries that produce refugee problems for their neighbors.

      Yes, because military action and destabilizing other governments have worked so well for the U.S. all over the world.

      Obama: Pro-Pentagon, pro-Wall Street, pro-drilling, pro-fracking, pro-KXL, pro-surveillance. And the only person he prosecuted for the U.S. torture program is the man who revealed it. Clinton: More of the same.

      by expatjourno on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 11:34:07 AM PDT

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      •  And they are running out of resources... (0+ / 0-)

        to provide even the basic needs according to the mayor of Sodertalje, Sweden.   Wonder how long before the charity of the Swedes wear thin?

        And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28 KJV

        by looking and listening on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 12:20:36 PM PDT

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        •  Obviously long after yours did. (1+ / 0-)
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          Obama: Pro-Pentagon, pro-Wall Street, pro-drilling, pro-fracking, pro-KXL, pro-surveillance. And the only person he prosecuted for the U.S. torture program is the man who revealed it. Clinton: More of the same.

          by expatjourno on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 02:22:51 PM PDT

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        •  When (5+ / 0-)

          one municipality (Södertälje) takes in more refugees from Iraq than the entire US and Canada (as mentioned here: http://sverigesradio.se/...), it's to be expected that social services will be frayed.

          That they have been able to absorb so many refugees without their infrastructure completely falling apart reflects well on the Swedes- not so much on the USA, which paid lip service by praising a previous mayor of Södertälje in 2008 yet didn't itself deign to allow more Iraqis in.

          One of those folks who praised the mayor in 2008: presidential candidate Barack Obama.

          Are the Swedes handling it perfectly? Heck no. There's plenty of racism over there along with stretched budgets.

          At least they're trying, unlike our own immigrant-founded country which, after cleansing its own Native populations, continues to cause ethnic strife all over the world and then refuses to help when displaced people come.

          •  Thank you for that slamdunk. (0+ / 0-)

            I could not have said it better myself.

            Obama: Pro-Pentagon, pro-Wall Street, pro-drilling, pro-fracking, pro-KXL, pro-surveillance. And the only person he prosecuted for the U.S. torture program is the man who revealed it. Clinton: More of the same.

            by expatjourno on Sat Jul 19, 2014 at 03:22:51 AM PDT

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    •  "We" helped create this refugee problem; (3+ / 0-)
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      now this problem is coming here to remind us of the evil done in "our" name.

      I voted Tuesday, May 6, 2014 because it is my right, my responsibility and because my parents moved from Alabama to Ohio to vote. Unfortunately, the republicons want to turn Ohio into Alabama.

      by a2nite on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 11:50:37 AM PDT

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