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  •  Yep (4+ / 0-)
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    just like how 'sure' everyone was about who used the Sarin-gas in Syria mere hours after the events happened, when in reality to this day there is significant data on both sides.

    Theres plenty of fault to go around in this. Obviously Whoever shot down the plane but also whoever made the the decision to fly over a war-zone, and Susan 'fuck the EU' Powers' both bear some blame as well.

    The Ukraine military was full of people who defected to the seperatists who would know perfectly well how to use this kind of machinery and Susan Powers knows that.

    If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything.

    by LieparDestin on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 09:06:12 AM PDT

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    •  No, there is not significant data on both sides. (4+ / 0-)

      There is credible data blaming the Syrian government, and some CT b.s. that people really committed to siding with Assad can pretend to believe.

      Don't bother posting the silly, long-rebutted story from the Russian Foreign Ministry about the fossilized remains for Seymour Hersh.

      You sound like a global warming denier.

      Art is the handmaid of human good.

      by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 09:18:37 AM PDT

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      •  Umm... thats just not true (3+ / 0-)
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        Its one thing to disagree with me and present some evidence to challenge my assertion, but all together just pretty lame to name call as some 'global warming denier' when the UN clearly disagrees with you:

        http://articles.latimes.com/...

        “I was a little bit stupefied by the first indications we got ... about the use of nerve gas by the opposition,” Del Ponte told Swiss Italian broadcaster RSI.

        She said the evidence emerged from interviews conducted by investigators with victims, physicians and others in neighboring countries.  

        Del Ponte did not rule out the possibility that President Bashar Assad's government may also have used chemical agents on the battlefield.

        Thus my comment about data pointing to use by both sides remains factual... while yours just remains an attempt at namecalling instead of discussion.

        If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything.

        by LieparDestin on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 09:35:20 AM PDT

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        •  The UN does not disagree with me. (3+ / 0-)

          The one person, speaking months before the attacks took place, that you quote is not "the UN."

          Your facts are wrong. You can keep insisting, LIKE A GLOBAL WARMING DENIER, that there is comparable evidence on both sides, but your determination won't change the reality of the evidence in this case any more than it does in the comparable case of global warming denial.

          Art is the handmaid of human good.

          by joe from Lowell on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 09:44:24 AM PDT

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    •  Planes flew there routinely (2+ / 0-)
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      At 30,000 feet, there's not that much danger from what's happening on ground. This was at best an irregular war.

      •  But the fact that (2+ / 0-)
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        some airlines changed routes to not go over this part of the Ukraine shows that there were known concerns. When presented with a choice from 'not much danger to flying over a warzone' to 'even less danger by not flying over a warzone', I would hope airlines always make the second decision. I'm sure this will inspire new protocols.

        If you stand for nothing you will fall for anything.

        by LieparDestin on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 09:42:39 AM PDT

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