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  •  I'm not criticizing the President's statement (0+ / 0-)

    But ...

    the moral authority is lacking.

    The Russians are doing what we do.
    They just had some enormous bad luck.

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    by dinotrac on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 09:23:47 AM PDT

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    •  no at best they were criminally negilgent (2+ / 0-)
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      in failing to identify what they were shooting at, and worst they are war criminals

      Necessity is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.-- Wm.Pitt the Younger

      by JeffSCinNY on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 09:25:57 AM PDT

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      •  Fine. Criminally negligent. (0+ / 0-)

        Like we are vis-a-vis the recent invasion of Iraq.

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        by dinotrac on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 09:36:25 AM PDT

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        •  yeah yeah yeah (0+ / 0-)

          obsessively deflecting away from this horrible event does not excuse it, which is what you seem to be trying to do. Iraq has nothing to do with this at all.

          "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war." -Mark Twain

          by humanistique on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 12:52:15 PM PDT

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          •  Oh, of course, Nothing we do on the international (0+ / 0-)

            stage affects our ability to do things on the international stage.

            Bet you weren't saying that 11 years ago.

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            by dinotrac on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 12:54:52 PM PDT

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            •  yawn (0+ / 0-)

              ...excusing this outrage by hiding it behind our own crimes and hypocrisy is not a thoughtful or reasonable approach to THIS event. is there literally nothing any country or group can do that you won't excuse by deflecting to the US?

              "An inglorious peace is better than a dishonorable war." -Mark Twain

              by humanistique on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 01:10:01 PM PDT

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    •  more than bad luck (7+ / 0-)

      Ukraine is a problem entirely of Putin's creation. Not even close to "doing the same thing".

      Nor has a civilian airliner with international roster been shot down by anyone else recently.

      Nice coverage here:

      http://www.newyorker.com/...

      What’s far more certain is that Vladimir Putin, acting out of resentment and fury toward the West and the leaders in Kiev, has fanned a kind of prolonged political frenzy, both in Russia and among his confederates in Ukraine, that serves his immediate political needs but that he can no longer easily calibrate and control. Putin’s defiant annexation of Crimea and the destabilization of eastern Ukraine inflated his popularity at home. Despite a flaccid economy, his approval rating approaches levels rarely seen beyond North Korea. But the tactically clever and deeply cynical maneuvers of propaganda and military improvisation that have taken him this far, one of his former advisers told me in Moscow earlier this month, are bound to risk unanticipated disasters. Western economic and political sanctions may be the least of it.
      US is doing nothing of the sort.

      "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!" — Upton Sinclair

      by Greg Dworkin on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 09:29:19 AM PDT

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      •  Eye of the beholder. (0+ / 0-)

        Russians claim they are supporting people who were already there and being repressed.
        We claim pretty much the same thing in Syria and Libya.

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        by dinotrac on Fri Jul 18, 2014 at 09:35:46 AM PDT

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