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View Diary: Empathizing w/ Gaza does NOT make me anti-Semitic, nor pro-Hamas or anti-Israel. It makes me human. (495 comments)

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  •  I don't see your HR (3+ / 0-)
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    Victor Ward, WinSmith, Neo Control

    here, on a comment calling Israelis "monsters."

    Fortunately, it's been less than a day, so you still have time to rectify that.

    •  I looked at it, even added my hr for a second (5+ / 0-)
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      OIL GUY, MrJayTee, AoT, Diane Gee, jqb

      until I noticed nuance that (in your fervor to accuse me of not applying my standards equally) you seem to have missed

      to wit

      In Israel and everywhere else.
      last part of the comment. "Defund the monsters -- In Israel and everywhere else"

      commenter is referencing warmongers as monsters, not Israelis. Thanks for playing tho.

      At any rate, I don't typically HR unless I see the comment in real time and the comment is not yet hidden. There is absolutely nothing my one HR can do to put a comment with 20+ recs into the hiddens, so it would have been a symbolic hr. And considering the nuance above, not sticking my head out to hr that one.

      But if you find a comment dehumanizing Israelis purely, and I am sure there are plenty of examples here over the past few days, and there will be more, please feel free to toss me a kosmail and I will happily hr it.

      •  Okay. (0+ / 0-)

        But that almost goes without saying, doesn't it? Hysterical accusations notwithstanding, I really don't think anyone here would condemn every single person in Israel for the actions of that country's government. Even without "and everyone else" I would have assumed that the Israelis that comment calls "monsters" are the belligerents in the government who are responsible for the current action in Gaza.

        Hamas, for its part, is entirely a political faction, not a religion or an ethnic group. You don't get born into Hamas, you choose it--and you don't choose it unless you're on board with its basic tenets and actions, which include rocket attacks on civilian targets and, at least until a few years ago, explicit calls for the complete destruction of the Jewish state. How can it be that dehumanizing language aimed at the Israeli government is acceptable but dehumanizing language aimed at Hamas is not?

        •  that comment did not aim dehumanizing language (8+ / 0-)

          at Israel, it aimed dehumanizing language at right wingers all over the world for being bloodthirsty warmongers

          And I would argue that those same warmongers, on both sides (and there are always warmongers in an ages old conflict like this) dehumanized themselves through their behavior. But I refuse to believe that ALL of hamas, just like I refuse to believe ALL of the IDF or Israeli government is filled with bloodthirsty monsters. That is why dehumanizing a group like the Israeli government, IDF, Hamas, Palestinians etc etc etc is so wrong. Because it negates the possibility of there being good people on the side that is being maligned as monsters.

          But the comment that you linked didn't do that. The title of the comment and first para is this --

          It's ALWAYS the Belligerent, Militarist Right Wing

          Whether in Israel, America, Gaza, Russia, France, Afghanistan -- et. al. -- It's ALWAYS the right wing sowing death wherever it goes, making co-existence impossible.

          and that is actually a hell of a point. It is the beligerent militaristic right wingers, in both camps, and in fact internationally in most conflicts, that are the terrible bloodthirsty monsters. Not Israelis. Not Palestinians. The people who ACTUALLY benefit from this, both politically and economically. THEY are the real monsters.
          •  You're parsing this pretty finely. (1+ / 0-)
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            WinSmith

            So WinSmith's real sin was that he failed to adequately distinguish between those members of Hamas who have personally fired rockets into Israel, and those who have not? That's the dividing line between HRable and not HRable? Is that where you would have located the dividing line if I'd asked you about this a couple of hours ago, I wonder?

            Besides, if you really want to get that specific, I feel obligated to point out that you actually said:

            hiderated for dehumanizing language (10+ / 0-)

            Equating any group of people to a virus earns an hr in my book.

            The aggressors in the Israeli government are pretty obviously a "group of people", in the same way and to the same degree that Hamas are a group of people. So maybe "equating" a group of people to a virus (which isn't actually what WinSmith did, but whatever) is dehumanizing, but calling a group of people monsters (which is undeniably what that other comment did) is not. If that's the case, I'm going to have to ask you to explain why that should be so.
          •  Moreover, the word (0+ / 0-)

            monster has been used in the sense ‘a person of extreme cruelty or wickedness’ at least since the mid-16th century.  By now it’s no more to be taken literally than is fantastic in Nibali has turned in a fantastic performance in the Tour de France.

        •  You are confused (0+ / 0-)

          It isn't acceptable to dehumanize the Israeli government.

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 12:28:51 PM PDT

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