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  •  How do you see the chances that the gas exports (1+ / 0-)
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    Frank Schnittger

    from Russia to Germany, reduced to zero, would be replaced by US natural gas exports to Germany, instead of being replaced by a European super grid powered with  alternative, sustainable energy?

    I think it might be the American wet dream to export their natural gas to Europe/Germany and Asia thus the dependency would continue to exist just with another partner.

    I read a lot of lingering efforts to promote being tough on Russia and welcoming to the US with regards to whom we should be dependent on in the future.  

    We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

    by mimi on Mon Jul 21, 2014 at 12:13:16 PM PDT

    •  I'm trying to kill two birds with one stone here - (2+ / 0-)
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      Reduce dependency on Russian gas, and promote a sustainable European energy self-sufficiency at the same time.  I don't see exporting US gas across the Atlantic being particularly economic, and I'd hate to be responsible for even more fracking in the USA.  We're trying to reduce global warming, not exacerbate it.

      The political problem here is that Russia virtually has a stranglehold on EU and Ukrainian policy so long as we are dependent on them for gas. I, for one, wouldn't like to be similarly dependent on the USA - we're dependent enough already, through NATO, FDI, and economic globalization. Europe is peculiarly susceptible to the effects of global warming, so reducing dependency on Russian gas is making an economic and environmental virtue out of a strategic necessity.

      •  oh yes, I am with you on that (1+ / 0-)
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        Frank Schnittger

        and understood your point, but somehow I fear that we will be too slow to become self-sufficient through alternative energy solutions, and the void, if Russian imports were to be decreased or halted due to other political shenanigans, it would cause US gas imports to Europe to increase and we will have to become dependent on them. That's for certain what the US wants, and it would not be us, who is responsible for their unbelievable increase in fracking, it's themselves. They don't HAVE to offer it, but they would like to.

        They want the business, badly. They support the tensions created between the Russia and Europe to destabilize the energy deliveries from Russia to Europe. I think both sides, the US and Russia, compete for the first place to deliver natural gas to Europe and I don't see why dependency from the US would be better, more economic or less environmentally damaging than our current dependency from Russia.

        But I just post this as a question, I could see that completely wrong.

        We know a hell of a lot, but we understand very little. Manfred Max-Neef

        by mimi on Mon Jul 21, 2014 at 03:27:06 PM PDT

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    •  Plenty of shale gas in western Europe (0+ / 0-)

      The Europeans don't want fracking in their backyards.  They could get their own shale gas, but not in time for next winter.

      No to U.S. natural gas exports.

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