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  •  that's how they sold the law-- (4+ / 0-)

    not that premiums will decrease, but that they'll increase less quickly.

    That's like saying of a rapidly accelerating car that's careening around and threatening to go off the road completely, that things are under control because even though it's still moving faster and faster, it's accelerating more slowly.

    It is all about moving the goalposts and conditioning people to lower their standards. Lower them enough, and anything can be a "victory".

    "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

    by limpidglass on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 10:54:18 AM PDT

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    •  You're talking fine print -- lawyerese. (0+ / 0-)

      The $2,500 "savings" was a simple talking point that was used to sell the bill, often misleadingly  After passage it was clarified that "savings" didn't mean "you'll pay less than you do now."   But that was the implication back in 2009 when the $2,500 figure was bandied about without any qualifiers or fine print attached.  Those of who did a little research  knew that what was really meant was that the cost curve would still be quite steep, just slightly less so.

      •  No. Obama specifically said "per family". (0+ / 0-)

        He said it hundreds of times..

        "If you already have insurance, we'll lower your family's premium by $2500 per year."

        •  Health Insurance Company Can Still Poison You (0+ / 0-)

          Health Insurance Company Can Still Poison You with the other firms they own, and then find an expensive way to deal with the resulting sickness.


          Same goes for killing the earth...

          Health insurance companies, even those that are not-for-profit, have to collect more money in premiums than they shell out in claims for medical care. That means they have a financial incentive not to pay for things.

          And since health insurance companies can no longer shun the sick to maximize profits -- either by denying coverage to people based on their medical histories or by rescinding the policies of paying customers who fall ill and rack up bills -- insurers are employing other tactics to shift costs to sick people and make it harder to get health care, consumer advocates say.

          "One of the things that occurred to me, even as the bill was working its way through Congress, was that once it was passed, insurers would do all they could to try to preserve profit margins," said Wendell Potter, a former Cigna executive turned industry critic.


          More Fear, More Profit. Its Math.

          by Pattern Math on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:28:56 AM PDT

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        •  Googled (4+ / 0-)

          Your search - "If you already have insurance, we'll lower your family's premium by $2500 per year." - did not match any documents.

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          by 88kathy on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 11:30:25 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not arguing that Obama didn't mislead (2+ / 0-)
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          people.  He did, and it was intentional.   He has a habit of throwing out sweet-sounding talking points and then adding fine print later which waters down or outright nullifies the clearly implied meaning of his words.  it's classic sleazy lawyer behavior and it's routine for him.

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