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  •  Well there's always this option (3+ / 0-)
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    by jhecht on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 01:46:08 PM PDT

    •  is this like not funny "joke"? (3+ / 0-)
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      with that pic, the r-word name would continue with the red helmet and the potato, or people call shortened version of "skin" that is also slur that some indians have reclaimed.

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      by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 02:05:07 PM PDT

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    •  I have suggested that in the past (4+ / 0-)
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      if Snyder wants to keep the name.

      But first a little history, which I have offered before.

      The name has nothing to do with honoring Native Americans.

      The team was originally in Boston, and the owner, George Preston Marshall, who owned laundries, wanted to use the name of the baseball team, the then Boston Braves, but could not for copyright reasons, so instead he called the team the Boston Redskins.

      Why such names in Boston?  How about because of a party on Beethoven's 3rd birthday, Dec 17, 1773.  Except it had nothing to do with Beethoven, and a heck of a lot to do with the tax on tea.

      In theory the Patriots (ooh, another Boston area NFL team) dressed up as native americans, hence the then Boston later Milwaukee and now Atlanta Braves,

      Marshall kept the name when he moved the team to DC.  

      Oh and whether or not he was a racist, his was the last team to have a Black player, and he only traded for one when he was threatened with being barred from his then venue, what is now called Robert F. Kennedy Stadium on East Capitol Street adjacent to the Anacostia River.  At that point the Washington team was the furthest south in the NFL, and Marshall had a monopoly on broadcasting to the South.

      After the 1961 season Marshall drafted Heisman trophy winner Ernie Davis, and traded his rights to the Cleveland Browns for Bobby Mitchell, who became the first Black player for the DC NFL franchise.  Mitchell later wound up in the Football Hall of Fame in Canton Oh

      as did wide receiver Art Monk.

      The Redskins won a superbowl with Doug Williams, from Grambling, at Quarterback.

      In fact, much of the success of the DC franchise in its glory years, first under George Allen and later under Joe Gibbs heavily depended upon players of color whom if it had been up to the original owner would not have been on the team.

      The name is offensive.

      How would people react to any of the following names:

      the San Antonio Wetbacks

      The Atlanta Niggers

      The New York Kikes

      The Philadelphia Wops

      that is how offensive that name is

      unless the term is applied to potatoes

      and given how the team has played in many recent years, they have been more like potato salad than anything warlike.

      I have lived in the DC area since 1982.

      You will note I will not use the name.


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      by teacherken on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 02:10:24 PM PDT

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      •  Actually (5+ / 0-)

        The Boston Braves changed their name to the Boston Bees for the 1936-1940 seasons. The world did not end. The Washington Bullets changed their name to the Washington Wizards because they didn't want to be associated with crime, though many people joked that if that were the case they should have changed the Washington part too. Perhaps someone should remind Snyder of this.

        I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

        by jhecht on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 03:13:05 PM PDT

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    •  No (5+ / 0-)

      To my mind, suggesting that is like saying a team named the "F@ggots" could still be named that if you replaced an offensive stereotypical gay person on the helmet with a bundle of sticks or a pack of cigarettes.

      The name is still offensive, even if you change the picture.

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      by Diogenes2008 on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 02:17:34 PM PDT

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      •  My suggestion is Pigskins (3+ / 0-)
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        The football has been long known as the "pigskin".

        Fits with the current team fight song without changing scansion.

        Honors the tradition of the "Hogs" who would dress in pig snouts and cheer on the team from the stands.

        Logo could be a cartoon pig in football helmet, perhaps assuming the classic Heisman one arm out pose.

        Maybe Snyder could even get an endorsement deal with GEICO featuring Maxwell the pig. ;-)

        There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

        by Cali Scribe on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 02:35:43 PM PDT

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