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  •  Aghhhh........ (2+ / 0-)
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    This is the worst.....are you saying that the fact that she is a single mother means that she is automatically irresponsible?  Are poor people with limited resources to be restricted from having children?  How wonderful for you that you are such a perfect person.

    You sound like a modern (liberal) Scrooge.

    I do think the patriotic thing to do is to critique my country. How else do you make a country better but by pointing out its flaws? Bill Maher

    by gtghawaii on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 03:54:20 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, I agree, your interpretation is the worst. (0+ / 0-)

      I'm saying the fact that she took a risk with her daughter's safety makes her irresponsible.  I'm saying the fact that poor life planning on her part makes her irresponsible.

      I'm saying that people that make bad decisions with children (regardless of their financial status) have no business having them.  Paris Hilton's parents should be ashamed, and this woman should be blamed for leaving her child unattended, not McDonald's.

      If planning out my life, working for the things I want (children), and meeting the goals I set for myself make me a scrooge, then Bah fucking Humbug!

      •  My issue with this is your take on (7+ / 0-)

        "Poor life planning" making someone irresponsible.  You seem to think that being a single parent is irresponsible.  I'm a single parent because I am divorced.  That does not make me irresponsible.  You also seem to think that being poor and having few resources makes you irresponsible.  I also have very little family support for my children because I was a foster child.  That does not make me irresponsible.  I have sent my children to play outside by themselves.  That does not make me irresponsible.  I don't think that sending a child to play at a park while you are at work trying to support them is necessarily irresponsible.  Saying it does not fit your definition of responsible parenting and thus is wrong is judgmental and classist.  

        Very little in life is controllable and goes as planned.  Perhaps this woman is doing the best with what she has.  You could maybe look at this and say there but for the grace of god I go.  

        I do think the patriotic thing to do is to critique my country. How else do you make a country better but by pointing out its flaws? Bill Maher

        by gtghawaii on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 04:30:31 PM PDT

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        •  It looks to me that we differ in opinion on (0+ / 0-)

          what responsibilities a parent has to their children, and your relentless referral to class.

          I grew up poor, but I didn't and don't consider myself in a lower class.  I lived in a mobile home but I don't consider my family trailor trash.  I had powdered milk because there wasn't money for the stuff straight from the cow, and my parents paid for it with food stamps, but I don't consider myself a welfare baby.

          I did, however, get instilled with a desire to never have to tell my child, "No, son.  We can't afford that."  That is not to say my child gets anything he asks for, but that I simply don't have to tell him "we don't have enough money".

          I also feel that I am solely responsible for my child's safety.  Seeing all that can and does go wrong made me think long and hard about how I wanted to found and raise a family.  My child will not grow up drinking watery powdered milk.  He may be apologizing to his girlfriend for a father that looks like his grandfather because I waited a long time before I felt I had the resources at hand to support a family the way I wished to.

          Now, if that makes me classist, you're entirely welcome to your viewpoint, but I do disagree, and I don't understand why you would say such a thing.

          You don't feel that sending a child to play at a park while you are at work is irresponsible.  I do.

          I feel that we have a responsibility to our children to give them a stable, balanced, nurturing, and encouraging environment to grow up in, so that they can become more than we are.  Call me classist, but that is my dream.  Not having a second person in the family to help me out is not mandatory, but it certainly helps maintain the balance in our family, and I was determined to wait until I found the right person to help me raise a family.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a single parent, and I admire single parents immensely, because they have to do everything on their own, while still meeting all the parental obligations.  I don't judge anyone for being a single parent.  I don't judge anyone for having a child at a young age.

          I do judge someone for the quality of parenting they provide.  The child didn't ask to be brought into the world, and if the "adult" in the relationship is going to be selfish and childish, and irresponsible, who is going to raise the child?  A child?

          You argue that very little in life is controllable.  I disagree.  We control our destiny.  We make our lives happen.  Bad things happen, but we are not helpless in the face of disaster.  Our children look to us to set an example of how to behave, in the good times and the bad.  It matters very much how we represent ourselves and our families, especially when resources are desperately low.  My parents are a living testament to that.  There but the Grace of my actions and willpower do I go.

      •  I agree with parts of your other posts, (0+ / 0-)

        but I need to disassociate with this. One can cite policy and defend the social workers who have to enforce it while still showing empathy to people. Jeez. This is not how social workers treat people, or at least not in my experience. And it's certainly not how they teach it.

        "I wish you luck on not hating your parents for mixing up such an unthinkable person." --The frickin´ HP--

        by McWaffle on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 04:36:19 PM PDT

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        •  Looks like a troll (0+ / 0-)

          Heraldstorm has a new account with only five comments in this diary.  I'm irritated I took the bait.

          I do think the patriotic thing to do is to critique my country. How else do you make a country better but by pointing out its flaws? Bill Maher

          by gtghawaii on Tue Jul 22, 2014 at 05:32:08 PM PDT

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