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    •  Go ahead (0+ / 0-)

      enrich the Advertising Companies, the right wing owned media, and the billionaire hoteliers. IF you think that wins hearts and minds, fine.

      "With all my failures as a human being, the one thing I've never done is to vote Republican. So, I've got that going for me." - me:39671

      by meagert on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 09:18:31 AM PDT

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      •  It also enriches many small business owners (11+ / 0-)

        Especially in a blue city like Philly. Whether it wins hearts or minds, it helps any city's bottom line.

        If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

        by skohayes on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 09:33:54 AM PDT

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        •  I admit my non-popular opinion (1+ / 0-)
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          But, in the end, it's just a ritual, long past it's worth.
          Kos' regional Salons has more value.

          "With all my failures as a human being, the one thing I've never done is to vote Republican. So, I've got that going for me." - me:39671

          by meagert on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 09:37:41 AM PDT

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          •  You're comparing apples and oranges (0+ / 0-)

            The quadrennial convention has an extremely important purpose which you're completely forgetting: it is where the actual nominating is done by the fifty state delegations and the delegations from the territories (Puerto Rico, Guam, Virgin Islands, etc.) The DNC isn't just about the general sessions. There are caucuses. Workshops. Trainings. Mixers.

            If you've been to the DNC participant then you know and understand the value of holding it. Being able to network across state lines with other activists is hugely important. The DNC draws far more people than Netroots Nation or any other progressive conference. The number of delegates alone is larger than the entire attendance of NN in any given year.

        •  And helps morale of party members, delegates, etc (5+ / 0-)
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          the woman who is easily irritated

          by chicago minx on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 09:53:35 AM PDT

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          •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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            in fairness,

            There are often delegates within the system who end up bitter after the national convention. Being selected to go to national convention is VERY political, and usually has nothing to do with who has been doing work in the states. What happens at national can be messy.

            Not everyone has a swell time. Like dkos, factions form and people have lousy experiences after they see how things really work.

            I'm not saying we should do away with it. It's free media. It's our chance to dress up and show the best of our party to the country:  by far, our party is comprised of decent people who are trying to do great things.

            But the party is a big national political party. And "political" means exactly what it says. "Big" means big. "National" means we need money to get things done.

            Keep the convention. Of course.  But before delegates spend a lot of their own personal money, we need to get rid of this idea. Even some of the savviest delegates I know have walked away pretty annoyed and even disillusioned.

            (I've never gone to national. It's always on a weekend that is terrible for me: for example, I have important weddings or major business conferences I have to attend. But I've attended state; voted for national delegates, and I've had numerous cohorts go).

            Conventions are there for us

            1. to select our nominee
            2. market our other candidates.
            3. market our party.
            4. meet and network like-minded progressives
            5. interact with locals, especially encouraging local Democrats.  (So a convention in red states is very useful.)
            8. be lobbied by interest groups
            ...
            11. party...

            ...

            27. get interviewed by John Oliver...

            ...

            ... 40. grow morale.  

            Just my perspective.

            :)

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 11:50:56 AM PDT

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            •  Conventions in swing OR red states. (0+ / 0-)

              obviously not just red states. But only for that reason. Red state Dems like to feel valued. but there are obviously reasons not to go to  dark red states like AL, MS, etc.

              © grover


              So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

              by grover on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 11:55:44 AM PDT

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            •  I was at the 1976 NYC convention (2+ / 0-)
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              for one day, just got in through someone else (I imagine they are much stricter now).  It was pretty amazing.

              the woman who is easily irritated

              by chicago minx on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 11:57:39 AM PDT

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              •  They are amazing to attend! (0+ / 0-)

                The important stuff on the floor is really cool. The less important speeches? People are wandering around, buying t-shirts. But those "less important" people are tomorrow's leaders. So it's kind of frustrating.

                But  mostly, the backroom politics?

                Bring a whole bottle of Aleve, and six boxes of Prilosec with you every morning.

                And wear coveralls. Pie flies there the same as here. No sense ruining your clothes because the parties really are great and you want to look nice.  

                © grover


                So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

                by grover on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 12:07:30 PM PDT

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        •  Not necessarily (0+ / 0-)

          Small businesses actually lost money when the Republicans went to St. Paul because the security was so draconian no one could even party or freely assemble much of anywhere.  

          •  That's because they are Republican delegates who (3+ / 0-)
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            do not really mingle freely with others outside of their gated communities.  Republican conventions these days are all about erecting a wall around the convention so that the 99% cannot get near them.

            And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

            by MrJersey on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 10:52:33 AM PDT

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        •  In the 80's the city i lived in (1+ / 0-)
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          SF hosted the Democratic convention. I worked at Macy's on Union Square in the advertizing/graphic department as a layout graphic artist. There was a huge retail clerk union strike going on at all the big retail stores. In solidarity the typestters and graphic artists joined as well as the dock loaders and many other retail workers.  

          I will never forget the visual of all the Democratic convention delegates swarming across the worker's picket lines to shop at Macy's . Me I couldn't cross to get to work and there was no union for graphic artists. The management promptly made us all 'junior executives' management lol. That killed two birds with one stone we had to work and cross the line and we were no longer paid a decent hourly wage but expected to work up to 14 hours a day with no overtime. I had no alternative but to become unemployed for the duration and became a freelancer after the strike was over.  

          So no I can't really say that the Democratic delegates or the convention is going to help small businesses or workers. Having DiFi as our 'Democratic' mayor at this time added insult to injury.She bused all the homeless out of the city and dumped off in the boonies for the convention because they were unsightly.    

      •  So you think (3+ / 0-)
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        media time has no value in politics.

        Well, you're wrong again.

        •  If you think outside of the box more often (0+ / 0-)

          you will see how confining the box is.

          "With all my failures as a human being, the one thing I've never done is to vote Republican. So, I've got that going for me." - me:39671

          by meagert on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 09:57:11 AM PDT

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          •  That's not outside the box (1+ / 0-)
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            That's outside reality.

            Why do you think the Citizens United case maters so much?

            •  Exactly!! (0+ / 0-)

              It's nothing but an vindication of the current Electoral system

              "With all my failures as a human being, the one thing I've never done is to vote Republican. So, I've got that going for me." - me:39671

              by meagert on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 10:04:26 AM PDT

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              •  So (1+ / 0-)
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                you suggest ignoring the realities, hindering your efforts to achieve political victory, to make a point?

                Look, to change that system we have to win elections.

                To do that, you have to win in the system that exists.

                •  Here's my SIGH... (0+ / 0-)

                  Keep doing the same thing, over and over. I don't see much difference from 1960. In fact, with a majority of States in Republican hands, an unsuccessful Congress, And no real Liberal in contention, we are not "winning". We are barely maintaining.

                  "With all my failures as a human being, the one thing I've never done is to vote Republican. So, I've got that going for me." - me:39671

                  by meagert on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 10:17:02 AM PDT

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