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  •  huh? (1.77)
    The democrat solution to virtually every problem is bigger government.  If a program is failing, lack of funding is ALWAYS blamed.  Anyone who thinks that the United States needs to become more socialist as Europe has will vote democratic.  You can't understand why people who identify as libertarian like me don't identify with the democratic party?
    •  sure (none)
      See, that's a pile of crap talking point that always gets through around without giving any real thought to it.
    •  First of all, (3.50)
      I disagree with your premise.  The Democrats do not think the answer to everything is bigger government.  The answer to most things is smarter government & the answer to most things concerning an individual's personal life is no government.

      Also, what I stated was that I cannot understand why Libertarians identify with the Republican Party, not why they don't identify with the Democrats.

      Loyalty to the country always. Loyalty to the government when it deserves it. -- Mark Twain

      by GTPinNJ on Mon Jul 18, 2005 at 08:11:42 AM PDT

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    •  And the republican answer (4.00)
      to any problem is to outsource it, and let the corporation take a profit off of your problem.  And low and behold, as Bush as privitized this war, the corporations are profiting, and the soldiers are not getting fed properly, nor armed properly, nor anything else as far as I can see.

      The answer is in the middle of course.  As it always is.  We cannot throw money at a problem without a plan, and we cannot give the problem to the corporations to handle, because they will make their profit at our expense.

      The middle is where Dean exists.

      •  BUT (none)

         Whether it's gov't jobs or the war time and time again it has shown that outsourcing cost the taxpayers more, because the private corporations have to pay the stockholders, the CEO and the lobbyists. With public employees the money goes to the people who administer the program and to the users of the programs. No middle men.
    •  Well, fine... (none)
      ....just don't go voting for Republicans then, because they're for even bigger government than Democrats are.
    •  If Democrats are the party of bigger government, (4.00)
      then why is it that the government always bloats and the deficits get run up during Republican administrations?

      By their works ye shall know them.  Republicans are all talk on fiscal responsibility and smaller government.  Democrats deliver the goods.  Enough with the GOP framing.

      It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, more vengeance, more desolation.

      by martianchronic on Mon Jul 18, 2005 at 08:17:43 AM PDT

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    •  repubs are worse (none)
      I agree with you on this, but please don't tell me you identify with the deficit spending republicans.  The only good one is the libertarian from Texas, all the others are not in any sense "fiscal conservatives".
    •  Big Government comes in many forms. (none)
      When the Bush adminstration wants to override stae medical marijuana laws, criminalize abortion, lock people up without due process, keep soldiers in Iraq beyond their term of enlistment with "stop-loss", and pour $100 Billion/year in to an needless war you have REPUBLICAN Big Government in action.

      When you have Social Security, Medicare, Head Start, pollution controls on industry, seat belts available in every car, student loan programs and votings rights enforcment you have DEMOCRATIC Big Government in action.

      Take your pick.

      ownership society - you are on your own

      by Sam I Am on Mon Jul 18, 2005 at 11:02:50 AM PDT

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    •  Rubbish (none)
      but I'm sure you'd earn brownie points from the RNC for perfect regurgitation of their completely
      obsolete meme. Don't you people have better things to do with your time, or have you given up trying to rescue Rove? Fine.

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