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  •  ASAP (6+ / 0-)

    Warning - some snark may be above‽ (-9.50; -7.03)‽ eState4Column5©2013 "If we appear to seek the unattainable, then let it be known that we do so to avoid the unimaginable." (@eState4Column5)

    by annieli on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 03:17:36 PM PDT

    •  A snip from your excellent link: (9+ / 0-)
      24 July 2014 - WHO is greatly concerned about the human suffering and deterioration of living conditions in Gaza as a result of the ongoing conflict. Access to health is being seriously undermined.

      Every day, more hospitals, clinics and ambulances are damaged, destroyed or rendered unable to function, further constraining the ability of the health system to care for the increasing numbers of civilian casualties. As of 22 July, reports indicate that 3993 people have been injured, most of them women and children, and 622 people killed.

      Four hospitals, twelve clinics, ten ambulances, a specialized centre for the disabled, and two water desalinization centres have been damaged.

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      by cotterperson on Thu Jul 24, 2014 at 03:52:02 PM PDT

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      •  What country will give assistance? (4+ / 0-)

        From that same reliefweb article:

        WHO calls for the creation of a humanitarian corridor for the evacuation of the injured, as well as for the supply of life-saving medicines. The humanitarian corridor should extend to protect the safe passage of patients to access crossing points and exit outside the Gaza Strip for medical care. Likewise, the transport of essential aid should be facilitated at crossing points between the Gaza Strip and Israel and neighbouring countries.

        Even during armed conflict, states are obligated under international humanitarian law to ensure that people are able to reach medical care in safety. Hospital facilities are neutral places which must be respected and protected by all parties.

        •  Any country giving assistance will be targeted (0+ / 0-)

          with sanctions.

        •  Egypt could open their border (0+ / 0-)

          and allow for the safe passage of the wounded into Egypt. But the current government there doesn’t particularly like Hamas either, so that's unlikely.

          As an aside, I've noticed that in all of the discussion I've seen here about Gaza, I've yet to see mention of the fact that it shares a border with Egypt. I'm not sure what it means, but I think it's curious.

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          by mnemosyne42 on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 01:36:30 AM PDT

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          •  To paraphrase you, (2+ / 0-)
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            Lepanto, poco

            To paint the Gaza-Egyptian border / Egyptian Government / Hamas situation with so broad a brush is not only inaccurate and ignorant, it's also just parroting Israeli misinformation.

            The world is bad enough as it is, you have no right to make it any worse.
            Lamb chop, we can quibble what to call it, but I think we can both agree it's creepy.

            by InAntalya on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 01:59:01 AM PDT

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            •  What about my statement was ignorant? (0+ / 0-)

              I'm not making a judgment about anyone. SoCalSal asked "What country will give assistance?". Egypt is a country. Egypt shares a border with Gaza. Egypt could give assistance. Egypt's current government doesn’t like Hamas. It's unlikely that Egypt will open their border with Gaza because Egypt's government doesn’t like Hamas. I've yet to see anyone in these discussions point out that Egypt shares a border with Gaza and I think that's odd. Where is the inaccuracy? Where is the ignorance?

              If you're saying that I'm over-simplifying the relationship between Egypt's government and Hamas, here's a more specific description: the military government in Egypt believes that Hamas is supplying materiel to Islamic militants in Egypt and is threatened by what it sees as Hamas' close relationship to the Muslim Brotherhood administration it recently deposed. The military government in Egypt doesn’t want to risk its relationship with Israel's Likud government or the US by appearing to side with Hamas. So while Egypt could open the border with Rafah to send humanitarian aid to Gaza and allow the passage of refugees into Egypt, it's unlikely that they will. And if you want my take on that, I think it's shameful. Any time someone has the opportunity to help someone in need and doesn't, it upsets me. But that's just what I think and not a statement of fact. Unlike the points I made above, (which are fact-based observations and predictions), it's what's called my "personal position" on the matter.

              Speaking of personal positions, it appears that you take issue with what you believe mine to be regarding the current conflict, but I'm not sure you understood my point about the way that we describe the people involved in said conflict. I'm not against making statements about different groups' positions in the conflict, just interested in ensuring that we accurately categorize the groups in question when we discuss the situation. "Egypt" is a country that shares a border with "Gaza". With me so far? The "current government" is the military group that took over the country after the Muslim Brotherhood was deposed. "Hamas" is the Sunni Islamic organization that controls "Gaza". Which of those groups did I paint with a broad brush?

              However, if you were to miscategorize the information the Likud government and the IDF it oversees are providing to the press as "Israeli", that would be painting with a broad brush. The entire population of Israel is not saying anything on the subject, because the entire Israeli population isn't saying any one thing about anything. Perhaps you ought to re-read what I wrote, because I'm not sure you understood it.

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              by mnemosyne42 on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 09:20:10 AM PDT

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