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  •  ...we must be doing something wrong here... (19+ / 0-)

    ...it was 104 here yesterday, but it dropped all the way down to 72 last night...

    Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

    by paradise50 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:42:39 AM PDT

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    •  58 here overnight (19+ / 0-)

      last night.

      Both in CO at 7000' & the SF Bay Area COOL OFF AT NIGHT, which is crucial for me.
      Not so in Phoenix.

      Can I give a shout out to the BEAUTIFUL drive from Durango to Phoenix?
      I went past a ton of National Parks--Hovenweep, Mesa Verde, the Four Corners Monument, oh...heck, too many to list.
      Went right by Kayenta--that's in a gorgeous place. Flagstaff was rocking. Even Phoenix was pretty as long as the windows were rolled up & the AC was set to 'MAX".

      I recommend the drive. Passing through so many totally different environments was awesome. Forests, rocks, cacti, views--it has it all!!

      The better I know people, the more I like my dog.

      by Thinking Fella on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:52:31 AM PDT

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      •  ...driving through the Four Corners area... (15+ / 0-)

        ...is awesome. It's my favorite part of our country.

        For some reason I've never liked Phoenix...not the way it feels and certainly not the way it looks. I dunno why...

        Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

        by paradise50 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:54:30 AM PDT

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        •  Phoenix has (17+ / 0-)

          an 'oasis' feel to it. Greenery in the sweltering desert(using the water I save by not flushing in CO. You're welcome Phoenix.).

          I was treated to about 10 monsoonal downpours on the way home. And 'downpour' really doesn't describe it--'fire hose from the sky' is closer to accurate.

          The better I know people, the more I like my dog.

          by Thinking Fella on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:58:46 AM PDT

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          •  did you get the thunderstorms, too?? oh, i used to (12+ / 0-)

            love them!!!  i'd go out under the carport to watch the light show....the dear husband would always ask if i'd lost my mind....

            "you're standing in water, holding on to a metal pole in a freaking lightning storm...have you lost your mind??!!??"

            "i'm watching the light show...the goddess is dancing.  and i'm not worried...it's far enough away, yet."

            oddly, i never was worried.  i just knew i'd be safe, and i was.  until that one day i was driving home from a lunch date, and the rains commenced...omg!! there was water in the ditches on both sides of the road and it looked like a lake!  i had to remember exactly where the road dropped off into the ditch...but i made it!

            the gods take care of fools and children, and their own.
            i'm overqualified on all three counts.

            "Live with no excuses and Love with no regrets."

            by The Marti on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 09:11:21 AM PDT

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          •  ...I think that's my trouble with Phoenix... (9+ / 0-)

            ...it's this huge sprawling one-story tall city (almost everywhere) with golf courses and green, green lawns and full swimming pools everywhere. Then there is one of the snobbiest, richest places on earth right next door = Scottsdale.

            I've driven around Phoenix. It's a lumpy pancake in the middle of a desert with no real culture to be found other than country clubs. It's so hot the downtown doesn't really have people out and about. It's always felt lonely and desolate to me, even though it's this huge sprawling city that snakes all over with hills of volcanos scattered about.

            The land is sinking in many areas there due to sucking the water up from underground.

            I dunno why for sure, but Phoenix has never felt inviting to me. It's harsh and lonely, at least that's how it's always felt. I suppose I'd have to meet up with Kossacks for my attitude towards Phoenix to change...

            Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

            by paradise50 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 09:46:10 AM PDT

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            •  I can see why you view Phx the way you do...it can (6+ / 0-)

              be a lonely place....I found it to be otherwise,mostly from lack of good sense.  ;-)

              The landscape has changed more than a little since I lived there....they even tore down my house!!  That's a story for another day...mostly fiction, with enough truth thrown in for good measure.

              Time was, though, when you did meet folks out and about and could have a conversation without it turning ugly.  Now, though...I wonder.  Our Kossacks make it worth the effort, though!

              :-)

              "Live with no excuses and Love with no regrets."

              by The Marti on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 10:21:58 AM PDT

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              •  ...Like anyplace, if you live there you... (5+ / 0-)

                ...discover what to do and where to do it. You develop friendships and connections. That's true no matter where you live.

                My point, I guess, is some places are just plain pleasing and feel good to be in. A lot of cities just feel welcoming. Some cities have areas where people gather and plenty of stuff happens. For whatever reason, Phoenix has never felt that way to me. It is a place where I've looked for places to go an things to do, but as an out of towner, nothing pops up.

                I have a question for you all. When you think of Phoenix, you think about going __ (fill in the blank). When you think of Phoenix you want to go visit ___ (fill in the blank).

                Maybe Phoenix needs to promote itself as a destination place and promote places to go and things to see. Unfortunately, on a national level, Phoenix has gotten a lot of bad press. The state is run by Jan Brewer and her "privatize prisons" group so of course they passed the "papers please" law. Maricopa county has Sheriff Arpaio who comes across as the total RW crazy nut job.

                I'd much rather go to Tucson than Phoenix at this point. I just have no draw to go to Phoenix unless I has a specific reason to be there. And that's sad because I'm certain there are plenty of great things about Phoenix. But when I think about just going somewhere to go there, I think of Portland, Seattle, Denver, San Diego, San Francisco, even Salt Lake City (which I like) in the west before I think of Phoenix.

                Phoenix needs to do something to create a better image of itself. Right now it is not liked by too many folks. Perhaps they need to change the overall political climate there. But if you're Hispanic, you won't want to find yourself in Phoenix. If you black, apparently, the same thing = "show me your papers just because it's the law." Was all saw that video a couple weeks ago of the black female college professor getting that treatment.

                Phoenix "feels" like white RW racists are in control right now. Does that appeal to you as a place you just wanna go?...

                Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

                by paradise50 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 11:15:54 AM PDT

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                •  "Museums" for your second blank. (5+ / 0-)

                  Please, don't believe the conventional "wisdom" about Phoenix. The city is 40% Hispanic fer chrissake, how in the world do you repress a minority of that size? Sheriff Joe does an occasional, well-publicized immigration raid, but the idea that all Hispanics in AZ live in fear is just BS. Nobody has to show any goddamn papers, it just doesn't happen.

                  The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

                  by Azazello on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 11:40:20 AM PDT

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                  •  ...OK, I believe that... (4+ / 0-)
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                    underTheRadar, Azazello, The Marti, mayim

                    ...Phoenix needs their tourism board to get cracking and make it a warm (pun intended), welcoming place to go. They need to really pump of what to do (other than museums. Every city has museums with some being specific to that city or that part of the country).

                    They need to show where tourists can go and have a good time mingling with locals doing fun, refreshing things.

                    Phoenix simply has a bad national image right now. Remember the NFL had to stiff arm Arizona lawmakers into NOT passing their latest discriminatory law IF they wanted the SuperBowl in Phoenix. These are the things people see and hear about Phoenix.

                    For you to say:

                    Please, don't believe the conventional "wisdom" about Phoenix. The city is 40% Hispanic fer chrissake, how in the world do you repress a minority of that size? Sheriff Joe does an occasional, well-publicized immigration raid, but the idea that all Hispanics in AZ live in fear is just BS. Nobody has to show any goddamn papers, it just doesn't happen.
                    to me is all good, but it doesn't do a thing for the national image of Phoenix. Phoenix and Arizona really need to do a MAJOR counter advertising campaign to what is now the current national narrative...

                    Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

                    by paradise50 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 12:32:26 PM PDT

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                    •  Just so you know ... (4+ / 0-)

                      I don't hardly ever go up there myself. The Heard Museum is spectacular but I've seen it. I don't care about the lame D-Backs or Suns so there's really not much up there for me. I went in 2011 for an ALEC protest and last weekend for the Kossack thing, but outside of that I've got no expectations. I'm even lobbying to get the next statewide meet-up held on neutral ground in Casa Grande. People just sound so silly when they seem to believe that every other car is being pulled over and the occupants asked for their papers.

                      The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

                      by Azazello on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 01:34:09 PM PDT

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    •  ...the 10-day forecast for Paradise... (14+ / 0-)

      ...says it will be 97-99 every day for the next 10 days. Paradise has tons of micro-climates. That's all there is here.

      Paradise is listed as zone 9 on garden maps. Where we live is zone 7, just to put it into perspective. In the summer we live in the hottest part of Paradise, in the winter one of the coldest parts.

      SO, the official Paradise forecast is for what is expected at the main Fire Station. Where we live, hot winds come up a canyon from the valley floor. We are at the top of that canyon so all that hot air funnels right here to us.

      You need to add 5-7 degrees more to the "official forecasted high temp." This means we should see 103-108 here every day for the next 10 days. This his the longest hottest summer we've ever experienced here.

      In the evening, however, we get a cool breezed that comes down from up higher in the mountains down our canyon. This always cools it off enough to be comfortable and sleep...

      Ignorance is bliss only for the ignorant. The rest of us must suffer the consequences. -7.38; -3.44

      by paradise50 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 09:03:21 AM PDT

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