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  •  But vegan is often more expensive. (12+ / 0-)

    People may go vegetarian to save money -- meat is pretty much the most expensive protein per gram, and eggs, milk, and cheese are relatively inexpensive.

    Go vegan and you have tofu and tempeh and seitan, which many people don't know how to cook, and which can be as expensive per gram of protein/pound of food as meat.  (Just trying finding them in many neighborhoods.)  You have beans, which are less protein and lots of fiber.  And you have nuts and seeds, which can be MORE expensive than meat, and which many kids these days are allergic to.

    Is PETA gonna help people afford their new, more expensive diet?  Are they gonna buy them pots and pans?  Are they gonna teach them to cook?  Are they gonna make any allowances whatsoever for people who require a gluten-free diet, or a nut-free diet, or a low residue diet?  Are they gonna give them B-12 supplements to make up for the loss of that nutrient?

    PETA has just shown themselves to be the epitome of a group of rich, white, out-of-touch outsiders who want to run poor, urban (often black) people's lives.

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    by cai on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 08:02:50 PM PDT

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    •  I want to clear up some things (6+ / 0-)
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      (Not defending PETA, to be clear; they're despicable.)

      I've eaten (roughly speaking) vegan for multiple years of my life, all told.  I've never eaten tempeh, eaten seitan (maybe?) once, and tofu rarely.  Beans and lentils actually will do the trick just fine, combined with grains and other sources of vegetable protein (root vegetables tend to have significant amounts, for instance); and they're dirt cheap.  Look up how Indian vegans (Jains) eat, if you're interested.  People have this weird idea that vegan, or even vegetarian, equals weird, pricy, fake meats from the health food store, but in reality the majority of the people who eat this way worldwide don't eat anything like that.

      •  Interestingly, I've read that vegans from (1+ / 0-)
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        India who move to England tend to develop pernicious anemia -- B12 deficiency.  It turns out that the rice and flour they were eating in India had enough things like insect husks to give them enough B12, but food processed under stricter food hygiene laws in England didn't.  

        So, they may have thought they were vegan -- and they were not owning or killing any animals on purpose -- but they were still eating bugs.  Of course, nowadays one can get B12 in the form of brewers' yeast and the like, but you still need it.

        I wouldn't call tofu and tempeh "fake meats" (although sometimes they're used to make them) -- they're traditional proteins from East Asia.  But they are some of the more protein-intensive things one can eat as a vegan.

        As for beans and lentils, I eat them a lot.  But, there are people who cannot tolerate them -- no, not because they haven't adjusted, but because they can't eat that much fiber (low residue diet).  Also, beans and lentils might be too much carbohydrate for people who need to be on a diabetic diet.  

        You make a good point about veganism having traditional roots around the world.  

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        by cai on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 11:45:43 AM PDT

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    •  Oh, come on! PETA didn't offer to adopt these (1+ / 0-)
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      folks, just pay their water bills. This is a great deal for 10 lucky families.
         It is you, cai, who want to run urban (often black) people's lives. Do you think that urban (mostly black) people are so helpless that they can't cook vegan meals without massive outside assistance?
         I suspect that there are at least ten urban (mostly black) heads of households in Detroit who know how to cook freaking vegetables.

      •  The issue is not (1+ / 0-)
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        their not knowing how to cook vegetables. It is the fact that  many live in food deserts where fresh fruits and vegetables are beyond scarce.

        The irony is the poorest are often involuntarily vegan because meats not full of nitrites and sodium are not available and rice and dried beans allow an extremely limited food budget to stretch the furthest.

        Fear doesn't just breed incomprehension. It also breeds a spiteful, resentful hate of anyone and everyone who is in any way different from you.

        by awesumtenor on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 06:45:05 PM PDT

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