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  •  Don't expect an answer (6+ / 1-)
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    Most of the ranters in these threads refuse to acknowledge the daily rockets being fired by Hamas from civilian neighborhoods.  

    In their narrative, Israel just up and decided to start killing Palestinians. Because reasons.  

    •  You could provide helpful evidence by simply (15+ / 0-)

      listing each event date and number of people killed by Hamas rockets.

      But you won't do that, because it would mean showing the number is so minimal that there is no justification for nearly 1000 Gaza dead and many thousands more wounded, often grievously. And rendering homeless many thousands more.

      Reality wouldn't fit your oft-repeated talking points.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 10:53:10 PM PDT

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      •  lol (0+ / 0-)

        Reality?

        The reality is if Canada was shooting rockets into Minnesota, our congress would advocate fullscale invasion and occupation in a nanosecond.

        But you have no intellectual honesty.  We know that by now.  You hold Israel to a standard no other country is held to.  You demand it let Hamas fire rockets into Israel and sit around and be like "no prob!"  

        Give me a break.

        •  If we occupied Canada and blockaded its... (10+ / 0-)

          ...ports and airports while systematically destroying its hospitals, schools, housing, and power generation, water and sewage infrastructure, perhaps the Canadians might have reason to take, shall we say, umbrage.

          Given those preconditions, your analogy might be spot on.

          •  That would mean the USA had committed (4+ / 0-)

            an act of war against Canada, and Canada would have the right to defend itself.

            A blockade is an act of war under international law.

            An occupied territory's residents have the right of self defense and resistance under international law.

            And, In an occupied territory, the occupier has complete responsibility for the safety, health, nutrition, and care of civilians.

            The list of violations of international law and human decency by Israel is a long and historied one. Israel created the conditions of occupied Gaza. Israel itself routinely violates international law as a matter of policy.

            "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

            by YucatanMan on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 10:59:43 AM PDT

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        •  So you admit there is NO proportionality in the (2+ / 0-)
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          number of deaths and amont of destruction, do you?

          1000+ Gazans killed, thousands more grievously wounded, thousand upon thousands more homeless, and what have Gaza rockets done? 2-3 Israelis killed and a bunch of car windshields blown out.

          There is no comparison. And you forget, in your propaganda screeds, that the Israeli government themselves stated earlier this year that Hamas had done a good job of limiting the rockets fired.

          Up until the Israeli govt falsely blamed Hamas for the killing of the 3 students and began a.campaign of oppression, how many rockets were fired and how many Israelis were killed? Why won't you discuss that?

          The problem is that the facts do not fit your propaganda program. Pro NSA. Pro Israeli massacres.

          If I were convinced you're human, I'd say you're a sad  human being.

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 11:09:16 AM PDT

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    •  And most of you Israel defenders (8+ / 0-)

      Refuse to acknowledge facts.
      Those Dailey rockets mostly get shot down by the Iron Dome and don't cause any damage.
      And if you look at the real facts, Bibi DID start killing Palestinians on the pre text he was looking for the kids he knew where already dead!  

      Barack Obama has made a cottage industry out of negotiating with himself, prostrating himself before the big donors and generally allowing himself to be rolled by the Republicans. This is who he is and this is what he does.

      by snoopydawg on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 11:58:56 PM PDT

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    •  As of yesterday, 864 Palestinians (4+ / 0-)

      have been killed. 36 Israelis have been killed. 33 of those were soldiers fighting in the conflict.

      If trees gave off WIFi signals, we would probably plant so many trees, we would save the planet. Too bad they only produce the oxygen we breathe.

      by skohayes on Sat Jul 26, 2014 at 05:06:55 AM PDT

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    •  Because they live (4+ / 0-)
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      On land Israel wants.  I provided your answer. Act with justice and peace.   Of course you war crimes mongers would never accept such a thing if there is bloodshed to be had

    •  As opposed to the "non-civilian" neighborhoods (0+ / 0-)

      in the 360 square kilometer strip of land with 1.8 million people in it.

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