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  •  You and Israel blame every rocket on Hamas (6+ / 0-)

    and you won't even be bothered to talk about the blockade except when you justify it as necessary. So you aren't for peace. A blockade is an act of war.

    ut then, you don't care about dead Israelis.
    More Israeli civilians die from lightning strikes than from Hamas. you know what Israel should actually be fighting against? Global warming. They're so fucking wrapped up in this bullshit fight that they're ignoring the real threat.

    And I know a number of Israelis, so don't tell me I don't care about them. I've just got eyes and can see that Israel is massacring
    Palestinians and using excuses like yours to justify it.

    No War but Class War

    by AoT on Fri Jul 25, 2014 at 09:35:01 PM PDT

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    •  I shouldn't tell you (0+ / 0-)

      how you feel about something that you've never expressed? Is that what you're saying? I'd appreciate the same consideration.

      •  You've repeatedly dodged the question. (8+ / 0-)

        I've read every comment, and you've repeatedly dodged the question.

        Fact: Israel knew the boys were dead, and they pretended they were alive and were looking for them.
        Fact: Israel attacked, killed, and imprisoned hundreds using this excuse.

        What is the appropriate response to this by the Palestinians with their meager and mostly worthless rockets?

        Should the Palestinians do nothing and pray for peace?
        Do you think Israel will not use this to scuttle peace talks and to build more settlements in the West Bank?

        Again...
        What is the appropriate response by the Palestinians?
        What is the appropriate response by the Palestinians?
        What is the appropriate response by the Palestinians?
        What is the appropriate response by the Palestinians?
        What is the appropriate response by the Palestinians?

        And once more...
        What is the appropriate response by the Palestinians?

        •  You don't like my answer (0+ / 0-)

          that doesn't mean I haven't answered it.

          •  You think your answer is sufficient? (3+ / 0-)

            Do you acknowledge what has happened?
            Are you even remotely persuadable?

            I stood on the sidelines of this deplorable loss of life giving Israel far more benefit of the doubt than they clearly ever deserved (know what we know now.)

            Now that we KNOW the fucking truth, what should our response be as Americans?  Continue to blindly side with Israel on everything that they do?

            What is your response to knowing the truth?

            •  Pretty much the same (0+ / 0-)

              as my response to finding out that Iraq didn't have WMD. Though I don't think that Israel ever tried to sell this current round as a response to the kidnapping. As I said in another in another comment, Israel has never needed an excuse to go into Gaza. They go in when they think it's necessary.

              I still don't know the truth. And neither do you. Nor do I care much. I know 6 died leading up to the current round. They died because their leadership can't make peace. And since then hundreds more are dead.

              •  We have eyes and ears too. (8+ / 0-)

                "I don't think that Israel ever tried to sell this current round as a response to the kidnapping."

                Don't forget - the rest of us have eyes and ears as well.  It is incredibly disingenuous and insults our intelligence to hear this talking point now that the truth is out.

                Timeline:
                - Hamas linked groups have been ineffectually firing rockets on and off all year - no-one in Israel was harmed thanks to the Iron Dome (pre-escalation).

                - Three Israeli kids were kidnapped and killed - not by Hamas leadership and not by the Palestinian Authority.

                - Israel blamed Hamas (want the quotes?) and escalates by rearresting hundreds who had been released as part of the peace process.

                - Hamas fires many more ineffectual rockets due to this escalation

                - Israel attacks with missiles and invasion and crushes Palestine fully blaming Hamas for the hostilities.

                Hamas' hands are not clean historically, but neither is Israel's.  There is nothing I despise more than fundamentalism - but that's not what we're talking about here.  Who's at fault for this escalation?  And once we determine that, we can pressure that party to back off.  If you think Hamas is at fault, you should be advocating for stepped up attacks. Are you?

                But if you don't think that Hamas is at fault in this case - then why are you defending Israel's actions?  Does the burden of de-escalation not lie with the party at fault?

                I reject the idea that Israel is truly fearful of the rocket attacks that have been going on.  Just recently the US issued a travel advisory on planes landing in Tel Aviv, because a rocket landed nearby. In order to avoid loss of tourism dollars, Israel rushed to lobby to lift that advisory, claiming that Israel is perfectly safe.  Bloomberg made a big show of traveling to Israel to demonstrate how safe it is.

                So which is it?  Is Israel in fear for its life every waking moment, or is it perfectly safe?  Can't be both.

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