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  •  Again, the danger of this turning into anything (1+ / 0-)
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    like a world war is nil, that was the danger I was talking about.

    As for the "assault tunnels," I'm not aware of a Hamas attack on Israel proper other than mortars and rockets in the last three years. I may have missed something, but these tunnels are almost certainly also used to smuggle supplies and people into and out of Israel, not just for military reasons.

    Thank you for the clarification on the treatment of various ships.

    What the hell do you think Iranian M75, Fajr-5s and Syrian Khaliber1s and C302s are? Toys? The latter reach all the way to the Lebanese border. They are large (some over 18ft tall) and  Hamas has a hard time hiding them, so they used multi-story apartment buildings and hospitals as launch pads and storage sites.
    I think they are unguided rockets that have a minuscule chance of harming Israelis. And they are less and less accurate at longer ranges, assuming they make it past Iron Dome. Thankfully Iron Dome has been working very well so deaths have been minimized. Of course, the claim that Iron Dome would reduce Israeli attacks by reducing casualties has been shown to be completely wrong. Israel now has free reign in the occupied territories with little to no repercussions except the death of some soldiers.

    No War but Class War

    by AoT on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 08:30:57 AM PDT

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    •  Smuggle people supplies into Israel? Lol! (0+ / 0-)
      these tunnels are almost certainly also used to smuggle supplies and people into and out of Israel, not just for military reasons.
      You realize how ridiculous that sounds, right? You think Israelis are at the other end of those tunnels, sneaking supplies into Gaza? And Palestinian businessmen are using the tunnels to go into Israel and make trade deals? Seriously? Of COURSE the tunnels into Israel (as opposed to the ones on the Egyptian border) are all military! Most of them end up under, or near Israeli kibbutzes and villages. I supposed the sedatives found in the tunnels are medical supplies? The handcuffs perhaps used for kinky BDSM games? Come on, you can't be that stupid.

      Hamas tunnel plot

      I think they are unguided rockets that have a minuscule chance of harming Israelis. And they are less and less accurate at longer ranges, assuming they make it past Iron Dome.
      These aren't "homemade" rockets anymore. Many are military grade weapons imported from Iran and Syria. Yes, thanks to Israel's extensive civil defense investment, the rockets don't take many lives. Instead, they sow and create a constant state of terror, disrupt daily lives, shut down commerce. Kids in Sderot have to play in fortified, concrete tunnels, and the majority suffer from PTSD. No nation-state especially not the US, would put up with this crap.
      •  Why is smuggling supplies out of Israel absurd? (0+ / 0-)

        And why is sneaking people in for reasons other than to attack absurd? Especially given that there haven't been attacks inside Israel. You're claiming that these are solely military tunnels even though they have not been used to attack Israel. That makes no sense to me at all. And I'm not sure if you know this, but sedatives are medical supplies. Are you suggesting that Hamas had plans to sneak into Israeli villages and sedate the people there and then do... something?

        And I'm not saying they wouldn't be used for military purposes if need be, but given that they haven't been used for military purposes kind of blows a giant hole in that theory. This is exactly the situation in which Hamas would use all its military resources, so why no use of the tunnels?

        These aren't "homemade" rockets anymore. Many are military grade weapons imported from Iran and Syria. Yes, thanks to Israel's extensive civil defense investment, the rockets don't take many lives. Instead, they sow and create a constant state of terror, disrupt daily lives, shut down commerce. Kids in Sderot have to play in fortified, concrete tunnels, and the majority suffer from PTSD. No nation-state especially not the US, would put up with this crap.
        Right, so there are rockets that have killed a single person and it really, really matters to you that they aren't home made? So what if they aren't home made, they're almost completely ineffective.

        And I'm not sure why you expect the Palestinians to just shut up and take it when Israel occupies them for decades while stealing their land, and yet you talk about the terror of rockets that kill a single person. Why do you excuse Israel's reaction and not Palestinians? You treat Israel as if it is an animal with no agency, only reacting to the slightest danger with a massive amount of force, killing hundreds. I don't view Israel as  a mindless animal like you do. Israel is responsible for it's own actions, not Hamas or the Palestinians.

        The government chose to lie to the people of Israel about the kidnapping that led to this as an excuse to attack, kill, and kidnap Palestinians. You can pretend like this is only about rockets, but this started in the West Bank. Israel cares so much about its citizens that it continues to pretend that those kidnapped and killed students have nothing to do with the current conflict. That's not how a reactionary animal acts.

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 10:50:35 AM PDT

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        •  You're dishonest and delusional (0+ / 0-)

          But fortunately the rest of the world know damned well exactly what Hamas had planned for those tunnels into Israel, and why sedatives and handcuffs were found there.  I'll spell it out for you..its so the fucktard Hamas terrorist scum could pop up behind Israeli lines, in Israeli towns and kibbutzes, and massacre and kidnap Israeli civilians.

          The rockets are unfortunately very effective at terrorizing the Israeli population. And the only reason they haven't killed more Israelis is because Israel, unlike Hamas, values human life and gives a shit about protecting her people.

          •  Israel values Israeli life (0+ / 0-)

            not all human life.

            And I never said the tunnels would never be used for military operations, only that they were not only used as such.

            And of course you completely ignore the theft of land by Israel. It's terribly inconvenient to actually address the issue because there's no way to issue an apologia for Israel on that one. So you continue to ignore it. And the occupation.

            No War but Class War

            by AoT on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 01:37:40 PM PDT

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