Skip to main content

View Diary: A British Journalist's Powerful Comments on Gaza (70 comments)

Comment Preferences

  •  the Saudi Government was responsible for... (4+ / 0-)

    ... keeping that base open.   We didn't invade Saudi, the Saudi gov invited us to have that base.

    In which case if Al Qaeda was at all consistent, they would have flown planes into buildings in Saudi.  Not in New York and DC.

    Thereby demonstrating that their motivation for 9/11 was hatred of the US, and the base was merely an excuse.

    Oh, and the terrorists got to go drinking & screwing in the lead-up to the attack.  Which they probably could not have done in Saudi.

    We got the future back. Uh-oh.

    by G2geek on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 03:58:01 AM PDT

    [ Parent ]

    •  There is a difference... (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      poco, stargaze

      ...between a government and the people. The Saudi royalty/government invited the US there, but a huge faction of the people were deeply, deeply offended by it. The base was definitely not an excuse for them. They saw (and many still see) the US as an offensive colonial power attempting to occupy the Middle East as a corrupting power. Sure, they despised the Saudi government, but they definitely viewed the US as the bigger existential threat.

      Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole. - Ta-Nehisi Coates

      by moviemeister76 on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 04:11:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  none of which counts as an excuse. (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        Victor Ward, slipper

        If all those people despise the Saudi gov, they can overthrow it and replace it with one that's more to their liking.

        The fact that certain Saudi royals were "tithing" to AQ via "charities" that were front groups, is also "interesting" in this context.

        Much easier to channel the hatred to some distant enemy whilst one's pockets are getting lined by the local despots.

        We got the future back. Uh-oh.

        by G2geek on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 07:04:26 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  You are the one talking about excuses (0+ / 0-)

          Not me. You also don't seem to have a good grasp of how power imbalances tend to play out in colonial occupation. The US is seen as the bigger threat because it is foreign and far more powerful. Therefore it is easier to get people to rally against the US from that vantage point. It's much more difficult to rally people together to fix local issues as everyone tends to have their own ideas and more localized allegiances, which leads to fracturing of movements.

          Two hundred fifty years of slavery. Ninety years of Jim Crow. Sixty years of separate but equal. Thirty-five years of racist housing policy. Until we reckon with our compounding moral debts, America will never be whole. - Ta-Nehisi Coates

          by moviemeister76 on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 07:20:56 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  colonial occupation? (1+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            slipper

            Really?  The US having a base in Saudi, at the behest of the Saudi gov itself, counts as colonial occupation?  

            Colonial?

            Occupation?

            Really?

            As for "easier to get people to rally against the US (than)... to rally people together to fix local issues (without)... fracturing of movements," that's just like the way Fox Noize has an easy time getting people to hate "the Kenyan in the White House."  

            There's a word for that:

            Pathetic.

            We got the future back. Uh-oh.

            by G2geek on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 07:54:53 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

            •  USA, in general, has Imperialist attitudes toward (0+ / 0-)

              middle east resources, also in Africa, etc.

              That's why USA government foreign policy winds up allying and propping up authoritarian governments: they are easier to bribe. Movements toward real, participatory democracy are a threat to USA foreign policy because democratic majorities tend to support using local resources for local goals, not letting international big business pay minimal rents or outright stealing.

              A primary motive for Western colonialism is stealing resources. USA setting up military bases in so many foreign countries is arguably colonialism to get control of resources (often with corrupt ruling class). It certainly is imperialism. I'm sick of USA taxpayer money funding imperialism.

              The boss needs you, you don't need him. -- France general strike, May 1968

              by stargaze on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 08:42:49 AM PDT

              [ Parent ]

              •  they're dying of consumption: our consumption. (0+ / 0-)

                The average "smart"phone is in use 18 months and then gets chucked, and the vast majority of those end up in landfills.  The average American uses 50-60 gallons of gasoline per month.  The average single family household uses 3,000 KWH of electricity per month and produces two full bins of refuse per week.

                Where do all those resources come from?  Where do they go?

                The way to vote NO on imperialism is to stop being a "consumer."  Until we do that, we're voting YES.

                As for me, I've got my electricity consumption down below 250 KWH/month, gasoline below 15 gallons/month, and refuse/recycling output down below 5 lbs. per week, and don't own a "smart"phone.  That's voting NO for imperialism, voting NO for climate catastrophe, and voting NO for all the rest of what goes with those.  

                It's a start.

                We got the future back. Uh-oh.

                by G2geek on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:00:51 AM PDT

                [ Parent ]

Subscribe or Donate to support Daily Kos.

Click here for the mobile view of the site