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  •  No, that Warren, Sanders, et al (27+ / 0-)

    supported that vote simply shows the coercion of the flawed electoral process. They can't stand up to the status quo without losing their seats, and they know it. If anything should wake us up to realizing that this system does not work, and will not work in this form, it is that vote.

     

    "Liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." - Michael Bakunin (Economic Left/Right: -10.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.79)

    by ZhenRen on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 06:27:21 PM PDT

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    •  Or they just support Israel and you don't like it (3+ / 0-)
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      What's your source for saying that Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are only thinking about their political futures and don't actually genuinely care for the safety and security of Israel? Do you have a basis for that claim, or did you make it up out of thin air?

    •  If they had any integrity (13+ / 0-)

      they would lose their seats, rather than condone a mass murder like this.

      •  I agree... (2+ / 0-)
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        But that decent people talk themselves into the notion that keeping their seats is a principled approach, because if they lose, they won't be of any use at all, is how the system corrupts even the best among them. It's the damn system. It would corrupt just about anyone who gets elected, it is extremely coercive by its design. It will always be so. Its innately flawed.

        "Liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." - Michael Bakunin (Economic Left/Right: -10.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.79)

        by ZhenRen on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 08:51:18 PM PDT

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      •  And that would accomplish SO much (2+ / 0-)
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        because of course Israel is the ONLY thing that impacts out daily lives — not the destruction of the social safety net, the enriching of the wealthy at the expense of working people, women's rights, voter rights, the environment — none of that matters. They should just deliberately lose their seats over Israel to a rightwing extremist drooling over the opportunity to privatize social security and voucherize Medicare.

        Look, I don't like it either but one of the things I hate about progressives is this urge toward noble, suffering martyrdom. I don't have the gene.

        Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it. http://www.edfitzgeraldforohio.com/

        by anastasia p on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 10:13:54 PM PDT

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    •  Actually, the excuse you make for them (2+ / 0-)
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      is worse than if they genuinely support Israel.

      So would you make that same excuse for Republicans?

      The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. - Thomas Jefferson

      by ctexrep on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 06:49:54 PM PDT

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      •  I didn't make an excuse (1+ / 0-)
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        In my opinion, even you would probably end up doing the same thing, because the system is extremely corruptive in very insidious ways that people find hard to resist once in office. You blame the politicians, and I do as well, but I blame the flawed system more, while you keep on supporting it. They don't get it, you don't get it, and thus it keeps on going.

        "Liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality." - Michael Bakunin (Economic Left/Right: -10.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.79)

        by ZhenRen on Mon Jul 28, 2014 at 08:54:43 PM PDT

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