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  •  I wonder if (24+ / 0-)

    the Golden Dawn people realize that the Nazis they so admire considered Greeks to be non-Aryan untermenschen.

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:15:06 AM PDT

    •  ... (6+ / 0-)
      Untermensch (German for under man, sub-man, sub-human

      "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

      by indycam on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 08:22:45 AM PDT

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    •  it is not about hitler (6+ / 0-)

      it is about geting power through violence and fear
      same strategy in germanys streets in the begining (1929- 1932)
      of the 13 years of NAZI terror in  germany(1933-1938)and not so much later to Europe.(1938-1945)

    •  the Nazis embraced ancient Greece (6+ / 0-)

      Of course, they also considered the ancient Greeks to be a genetically distinct people from the "Asiatic" Slavs (with a generous admixture of Turk/Arab) that they alleged have lived in Greece since the fall of Rome.

      The Nazis also professed the belief that race determined culture, so living, politicking, and fighting like a proper European and fascist in theory proved your racial bonafides.  That may have been cynical, so the Axis powers would have had to win the war before we'd have seen if Eastern and Southern European fascists would wind up in the gas chambers or not.

      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 10:50:10 AM PDT

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      •  They embraced (5+ / 0-)

        their myth of ancient Greece.  The real thing, like every real thing, was something they despised.

        I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

        by trumpeter on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 12:27:22 PM PDT

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        •  Sparta wasn't a Frank Miller comic/movie... (0+ / 0-)

          ....Spartans were actually gay communists.

          (Well, not "gay" as we understand it, but to simplify it for simple people like cons, they were gay.  Sparta did have its farmers contribute crops into a central distribution center.)

          You can't spell "Dianne Feinstein" without "NSA".

          by varro on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 03:10:50 PM PDT

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      •  More than Ancient Greece... (1+ / 0-)
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        the Nazis embraced the military culture of Ancient Rome.

        The term, "Third Reich" was used because Germany was supposed to be the third (and to them, the greatest) great empire of the world.

        The other two being Imperial Rome and the Holy Roman Empire (sort of put together by Charlemagne).

        [Now queue up your Holy Roman Empire jokes...]

        •  1st Reich was HRE; 2nd was 19th Cent. Kaiserreich (1+ / 0-)
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          The First Reich was the Holy Roman Empire - known in later centuries as the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation, since it had always centered on the German territories and been dominated politically by Germans, in particular the House of Habsburg.  The Holy Roman Empire was actually descended from only one third of Charlemagne's empire, the core of which became France.  The other part was Italy; Spain at that time was ruled by the Moors.

          The Second Reich was the 19th Century German Empire unified by Otto von Bismarck under the King of Prussia.  The political, cultural, and religious conflict between Prussia and Austria - the Habsburgs' second empire that they formed after Napoleon disestablished the HRE because there was no way they were getting demoted to Archdukes - over who would de facto dominate a united Germany would be a diary in itself.  In any event the Habsburgs didn't want to join the new empire without their vast non-German feudal holdings to the east, which in the minds of the 19th Century ethno-nationalists, would have completely defeated the purpose of a German nation-state.  The earlier German Confederation had its membership restricted to polities that had once been part of the HRE: Austria's German territories did belong to that while a big chunk of Prussia did not.

          Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

          by Visceral on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 07:34:51 PM PDT

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    •  The Greeks were instrumental in the... (14+ / 0-)

      ...defeat of the Axis;

      Despite the country's numerically small and ill-equipped armed forces, Greece made a decisive contribution to the Allied efforts in World War II. At the start of the war Greece sided with the Allies and refused to give in to Italian demands. Italy invaded Greece by way of Albania on 28 October 1940, but Greek troops repelled the invaders after a bitter struggle (see Greco-Italian War). This marked the first Allied victory in the war.

      Primarily to secure his strategic southern flank, German dictator Adolf Hitler reluctantly stepped in and launched the Battle of Greece. Axis units from Germany, Bulgaria, and Italy successfully invaded Greece, through Yugoslavia, forcing out the Greek and defenders. On 20 May 1941, the Germans attempted to seize Crete with a large attack by paratroops—with the aim of reducing the threat of a counter-offensive by Allied forces in Egypt—but faced heavy resistance. The Greek campaign might have delayed German military plans against Soviet Union, and it is argued that had the German invasion of the Soviet Union started on 20 May 1941 instead of 22 June 1941, the Nazi assault against the Soviet Union might have succeeded. The heavy losses of German paratroopers led the Germans to launch no further large-scale air-invasions.

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      by Shockwave on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 11:24:10 AM PDT

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