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  •  ...because the Nazis were so good to Greece? (22+ / 0-)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/...

    In total, the Germans executed some 21,000 Greeks, the Bulgarians 40,000 and the Italians 9,000. By June 1944, between them the Axis powers had "raided 1,339 towns, boroughs and villages, of which 879, or two-thirds, were completely wiped out, leaving more than a million people homeless" (P. Voglis) in the course of their anti-partisan sweeps, mostly in the areas of Central Greece, Western Macedonia and the Bulgarian occupation zone.

    The most infamous examples in the German zone are those of the village of Kommeno on 16 August 1943, where 317 inhabitants were executed by the 1. Gebirgs-Division and the village torched, the "Holocaust of Viannos" on 14–16 September 1943, in which over 500 civilians from several villages in the region of Viannos and Ierapetra in Crete were executed by the 22. Luftlande Infanterie-Division, the "Massacre of Kalavryta" on 13 December 1943, in which Wehrmacht troops of the 117th Jäger Division carried out the extermination of the entire male population and the subsequent total destruction of the town, the "Distomo massacre" on 10 June 1944, where units of the Waffen-SS Polizei Division looted and burned the village of Distomo in Boeotia resulting in the deaths of 218 civilians and the "Holocaust of Kedros" on 22 August 1944 in Crete, where 164 civilians were executed and nine villages were dynamited after being looted. At the same time, in the course of the concerted anti-guerrilla campaign, hundreds of villages were systematically torched and almost 1,000,000 Greeks left homeless.

    •  Nazis have become a generic symbol (16+ / 0-)

      That they can be embraced by countries and peoples who were victimized by them suggests that there's something more complex going on in these people's minds.

      What comes most immediately to mind is that as the most successful articulators and practitioners of right-wing populism - not to mention the shock value in this day and age of openly embracing nationalism, militarism, and racism - the Nazis have become symbols of something bigger and more abstract than what they themselves actually said and did ... something that the far right of any culture can appropriate for their own uses.

      Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

      by Visceral on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 09:41:34 AM PDT

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      •  they think they can wear the brand, (11+ / 0-)

        and it won't brand them.
        Like every RW movement, they assume their own infallibility in that they believe they can use Nazi imagery and tactics, but simply not adopt some of the less palatable things like Dachau. A variation on  "I can quit anytime I want!" complete with the implication "I don't want to!!"
        Clive Bundy obeys all the laws he approves of, too.
        And he has much he can share from his infallible ruminations on the Negro.

        Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

        by kamarvt on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 10:56:48 AM PDT

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      •  They are a model of sorts, (3+ / 0-)
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        and what people see in their regime varies from person to person.  Even Star Trek picked up on this, also seeing how vastly corruptible the model is.

        I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

        by trumpeter on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 12:35:21 PM PDT

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      •  The most cogent distinction I've seen is (1+ / 0-)
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        that whereas fascism means corporation-state unity, nazism is the same but with racism. So 'nazism' applies to those who advocate such things, whereas 'Nazism' refers to the German instance.

        People preoccupied with technical historical distinctions overlook the adaptive nature of language as time goes on. Hence, we have 'kleenex' to mean any kind of tissue whoever made it; 'scotch tape' for any transparent office-use tape whether made by 3M or not. It's the essence of the thing that matters in naming, at least when it comes to general usage.

        When, as in Ukraine, you have people who march under the Nazi banner, have a party logo based on the Waffen-SS logo, name their educational arm after Goebbels, and who talk about the Hasidic-Putin conspiracy against them and the need to remove Jews, Poles, and Slavs from the country, you've got 100% bona fide nazis.

        Although they are our allies now, so they are merely 'ultra-nationalists' to our Free Press who dare not use the true name for the thing. Bombing their own people (well, Slavs, and who considers them people, really?) is just giving the 'terrorists' what they deserve and not a horrific crime as when done in Iraq, Syria, etc.


        A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned. -- Firefly

        by Jim P on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 09:00:20 PM PDT

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    •  There were sympathizers in every country. (5+ / 0-)

      The American Nazi Party was pretty significant until the latter part of the war.

      •  not too many Nazi sympathizers in Greece (7+ / 0-)

        during the Nazi occupation.

      •  The German-American Bund was very powerful (4+ / 0-)

        especially prior to 1940.  Ditto an Italian-American Fascist group that supported Mussolini.  Both groups packed Madison Square Garden during the years leading up to the war and were part of the broader Isolationist effort to keep American from getting involved in what was happening in Europe.

        The Bund's influence waned pretty dramatically after the Blitz, but they were still nasty enough that it required the personal intervention of Mayor LaGuardia to defuse the situation when they started threatening the employees of Timely Comics for publishing a book that they felt mocked Adolf Hitler.  They were done by the time of Pearl Harbor, and a good thing, too.

        This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

        by Ellid on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 01:48:59 PM PDT

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        •  The Mission Inn in Riverside, Ca (1+ / 0-)
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          Was owned by a Bund member. I lived in the storage/apartment building across the road from it. They stored the metals that should have been donated to the war effort in those buildings and they were still there when I lived there.

          Many many Right wing presidents have been welcome guests of the Mission Inn. Guess who the last one was?

          •  Good Lord (2+ / 0-)
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            My own grandmother might - MIGHT - have been a Bund sympathizer; she said more than once that if Hitler had never gone beyond his own borders things would have been different.  However, she died when I was 10 and I have no way of knowing at this point.  She certainly didn't own any Nazi or Bund memorabilia, and I've found no evidence that she kicked up a fuss when two of her sons were drafted.

            This isn't freedom. This is fear - Captain America

            by Ellid on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 02:34:22 PM PDT

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          •  The Big Nazi Estate Outside LA (1+ / 0-)
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            Was supposed to be the headquarters of the Nazi version of Hollywood after Nazis conquered America. it's now part of some remote state park, I think.

            The Bund also ran summer camps all over the US as they tried to create their own version of the Hitler Youth.  I think most of these assets were seized.

            Men are so necessarily mad, that not to be mad would amount to another form of madness. -Pascal

            by bernardpliers on Tue Jul 29, 2014 at 03:20:44 PM PDT

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