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  •  Serious (0+ / 0-)

    Only because i watched the video, and while horrible (again I commented on this brutality when it first  occurred), I do not automatically assume racial motivation. But maybe I missed something?

    And disagreeing with you does not make me a "troll".

    •  white supremacy is a social (0+ / 0-)

      psychic, political, economic and emotional system. its signatories often do not even realize their bargain. but they reap the benefits. your comments are a demonstration of that fact.

      related question--do you think that Rodney King was "resisting" arrest too?

      •  Look dude (0+ / 0-)

        1) There is oohing about my comments that suggest I am a white supremacist and for you to say so is not only arrogant and ignorant but also personally insulting. Are you   projecting? You donut know me so what the heck is your problem? So my immediate response to such slander is "bite me".

        2) I specifically did not defend the cop in the Gardner case, to the contrary I stated repeatedly, it was atrocious.But you decided to put words in my mouth indicating I did- again why? Projecting? What is your freaking problem?

        I was wondering if there was something in the video that I missed that would suggest it was racially motivated.

        And for the record - although King has nothing to do with this- of course I did not think he was resisting and deserved that beating.

        Get a grip dude.

        •  you do not have a proper understanding of (0+ / 0-)

          how white supremacy works as an ideology and social force. white supremacy is not just about neo nazis or kkk members.

          you are spending time debating if a man--who is obviously being choked--is somehow being killed by some other type of move.

          that is the very point of Butler and my observation about racial paranoia and the ability for whiteness to reframe reality.

          you also do not have a deep or serious--or even marginal--understanding of the relationship between the police and black communities, esp. in New York with stop and frisk, and many other documented racist policies.

          do some reading on "over policing" "police militarization" and the prison industrial complex. i would also suggest you do some more reading and thinking about how police and other white state authorities have been involved in maintaining white supremacy.

          The New Jim Crow, The Color of Crime, and Slavery by Another Name would be helpful for correcting your thinking.

          You clearly have not read what I wrote if you think that I am a "white supremacist" who is "projecting". Funny and sloppy on your part.

          Move along do some work and then you can sit at the big kids table.

          •  You clearly do not (0+ / 0-)

            have a proper understanding of me. Or anything other than your own agenda.

            You KEEP putting words in my mouth for some strange reason:

            you are spending time debating if a man--who is obviously being choked--is somehow being killed by some other type of move.
            Please show when I did that?
            that is the very point of Butler and my observation about racial paranoia and the ability for whiteness to reframe reality.
            heads up jerk: I am not white :-)
            you also do not have a deep or serious--or even marginal--understanding of the relationship between the police and black communities, esp. in New York with stop and frisk, and many other documented racist policies.
            Again you have no idea who I am, nor what I know? You are so arrogant as to assume your (bizarre) preconceived notions are true about everyone, everywhere, all the time. How narrow.

            You clearly have also not read what I wrote if your ThINK I am a white supremacist- which you accused me of- jerk.

            I certainly do not need to do any "reading" on my life, to yours, or anyone else's. Again your disdain and arrogance is on display. Again All I asked was what, in that video, would give one the "fact" that to was racial? I was asking a question. Sorry you can't handle being questioned but that is a you problem.

            And I note you have now twice avoided answering my first question by changing the subject. Wonder why?

            And your ending snark is evidence of your lack of any cogent argument. Juvenile name calling always gives that away.

            And bite me still stands as a restrained retort to calling me a white supremacist. Not sure what your personal issue with me is, but honesty and integrity is obviously not on your radar.

            •  you are fun (0+ / 0-)

              there are lots of people of color who overly identify with whiteness and do the work of white supremacy as a social and ideological force.

              See: Clarence Thomas.

              Again, I have answered you. I am not going to play the deflection game where I have to explain that water is wet. Given what we know about racism and the cops and what is plainly visible right in front of you, we can play the smart money that racism is operative here on some level from the micro to the macro or play silly white racism colorblind racism denying games.

              I did confuse you with one of the commenters above. For that I apologize. However, you did excuse make for police brutality and seem surprised that there are racists in the police departments of this country despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

              My comment stands that are you are deep in the white racial frame and are supporting a position and worldview that is white supremacist.

              Why are you afraid to actually do some reading about issues of race and crime? Why wallow in ignorance? Not a good look. And as I said, until you are willing to actually do some work on the topic and to stop playing games which give cover to white racism, then yes, you are not ready to sit down at the big kids table and talk cogently on the matter.

              •  Heh (0+ / 0-)

                No answers, no specificity at all. Where did you answer me? Please show me? Kiss my (brown) rear end.

                And you can keep making crap up:

                However, you did excuse make for police brutality and seem surprised that there are racists in the police departments of this country despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
                Show me? No, I did not. Prove that crap? (I did excuse make?)

                you can say stupid crap like this, about me
                :

                My comment stands that are you are deep in the white racial frame and are supporting a position and worldview that is white supremacist.
                I very rarely cuss and you can scour my comment history to see that, but calling me a racist is beyond contempt. Not sure what your psychological problems are or why you are projecting them on me? Or maybe you're just an asshole?
                •  you have such a dirty mouth but are (1+ / 0-)
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                  unable to engage some pretty basic claims. Again, you need to read and reflect.

                  Do you kiss your mom with that mouth? Yuck.

                  Psychological problems? As in telling the truth about white racism and white supremacy? Again, very typical of colorblind racism in its current form.

                  You wrote this:

                  As the grandson of a cop this "Stereotyping" is rather bothersome to me.

                  And this regarding white racists in the police:

                  out of around 125,000. Yeah it's all over the place.

                  You are excuse making and deflecting for racist cops by minimizing their presence and what we know about that fact. One of the tools of those such as yourself who aid and abet white supremacy is to assume that racism is exaggerated by people of color and that America is a "post racial" society. The extremes of this madness are seen by the silly talk about "reverse racism" and "black racism".

                  Given what we know empirically about American society the default judgement should be that racism is likely operative unless there is more than sufficient and extraordinary proof to the contrary.

                  Amazon.com has most of those books I suggested you read on sale or used. You should pick them up. It will be money well spent, a good positive step in furthering your education on these matters.

                  It is sad to see someone who claims to be "brown"--one never knows as racist trolls love to play the blackface routine--advancing white supremacy and apparently not even knowing that they are doing so.

                  •  So you have confirmed it (0+ / 0-)

                    you Are an asshole. You obviously have deep psycho issues. get some help dude. You can't just call people white supremacists for no reason you know?  And an arrogant one as well. And unable to answer basic questions THREE times.

                    At least I am not homophobic.

                    •  who is homophobic? (0+ / 0-)

                      again, I have been kind and patient. I am here to help you. I provided what you requested re: examples. You have no insight or comment to offer.

                      I answered your question(s). You have either chosen not to read what I wrote or are willfully obtuse.

                      Again, those books will help you a great deal. The white racial frame has you. Help is available. We can free you.

                      •  Ha :-) (0+ / 0-)

                        see what i did there? I just just made up crap about you without reason. Just like you did about me. Funny that struck a nerve huh? That was SO easy. Now, please go away.

                        •  You are so fun! (0+ / 0-)

                          I didn't make up anything about you. You have provided the evidence. Again, how can we help to educate you? To help you grow as a moral and ethical human being on these matters? To stop being a "brown" defender of white supremacy?

                          Help is available. How did this happen to you? You mentioned that one of your relatives was a police officer. Did this begin with some type of idealization of petty authority? Do you have authoritarian tendencies?

                          •  Do you lecture (0+ / 0-)

                            everyone you come in contact with and label them as racist? Or just those who dare to ask you questions? Do you have delusions of grandeur? Napoleon complex? Do you arrogantly and amateurishly psychoanalyze people to compensate for some shortcoming in your own life? How did this happen to you? Maybe you were traumatized as child? Maybe your grandfather was not that bright? Maybe we can hep educate you so can overcome these obvious moral and ethical defects.

                          •  You can do better than that. (0+ / 0-)

                            Try again.

                            Fun though!

                          •   Do you lecture (0+ / 0-)

                            everyone you come in contact with and label them as racist? Or just those who dare to ask you questions? Do you have delusions of grandeur? Napoleon complex? Do you arrogantly and amateurishly psychoanalyze people to compensate for some shortcoming in your own life? How did this happen to you? Maybe you were traumatized as child? Maybe your grandfather was not that bright? Maybe we can hep educate you so can overcome these obvious moral and ethical defects.

                          •  Evidence? (0+ / 0-)

                            I did not say anything about "white racists in the police:"

                            I said that the commenter had produced exactly two examples of the KKK out of 125K police (and that is only police- not other police organizations which is unfortunate and two too many, but hardly a trend), in reference to the following statement:

                            The KKK and other white supremacist organizations have members in police organizations all over the country.
                            Accurate math does not make one a white supremacist.

                            Nor does pointing out stereotyping, like the commenter did, make one a "white supremacist".

                            And yet you accused me of defending the cop who killed Eric Gardner with no basis at all,. Call me names for no reason at all. And claim that I am making excuses for racist cops with no basis at all.  Only in the fevered swamps of your bizarre little brain. I am no more a white supremacist than you are homophobic. Or an anti semite. Or a misogynist.

                          •  You won't stop will you (0+ / 0-)

                            Again, how can we help you? Why are you a racism denier? Is it your authoritarian bent? Relationship with your grandfather? Your tone was utterly dismissive of a basic claim that there are likely KKK members and other white nationalists in the police departments of this country. As I wrote above, denying the obvious that this country is profoundly racist and creating absurd levels for truth claims about white supremacy is the white racial frame and white supremacy 101. Standard tactics.

                            Just own it.

                            The SPLC and others have done reports on the KKK and Neo Nazi infiltration of the police, military, etc.

                            In 2 seconds you could find journal articles and other resources on this topic. Instead you deny the obvious.

                            http://www.lsd-journal.net/...

                            Some new research on bias and shooting of armed and unarmed black people. New research builds on the findings. Very interesting stuff:

                            http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/...

                            There is lots out there on this topic.

                          •  you're not as clever as you pretend you are. (0+ / 0-)

                            But certainly desperate to change the subject.  You keep lying about what I have said yet never show any quotes to make your points- just lies, which I guess is the only way you can make any real points.

                            Why did you lie about me defending the cop who killed Gardner? Simple question. I have asked you four times. What's up with that lie? You keep changing the subject. Why? Why did you wait so long to even comment or write about that despicable event? Projection?

                            What is really revealing is that your source says:

                            Ultimately, officers’ decisions about whether or not to shoot were unaffected by the target’s race.
                            So actually you are the racism denier. Like I said, you must be projecting and trying to compensate for a whole lot of twisted stuff in your life. Counseling might help. Seriously.  
                          •  you are misquoting out of context (0+ / 0-)

                            stop playing.

                            "Reaction Time Index: The study found that all three groups—Denver police officers, national police officers, and members of the Denver community—showed significant bias in their reaction times, and the groups did not differ in terms of the magnitude of that bias. The groups were uniformly faster to shoot an armed black target, relative to an armed white target, and uniformly faster to press the “Don’t shoot” button for an unarmed white target, relative to an unarmed black target. Officers and community members alike, it seemed, responded more quickly to targets that conform to stereotypes."

                            and:

                            "It must be acknowledged that the officers in these studies did show pronounced racial bias in their reaction times."

                            If you want to make the claim given the mountains of evidence, empirical, anecdotal, historical, etc. that police do not discriminate against black and brown people, and are not more likely to use extreme force against them, then by all means keep up that fight.

                            Amadou Diallo and many others would likely have much to say on the subject.

                            And as I allude to above, this is very complicated and should be situated relative to the context provided by the other article and how training and confronting one's implicit bias and stereotype threat can be useful for mitigating the results.

                            The Color of Crime would really help your thinking.

                            I gave you your quotes where you downplayed police racism. Stop playing. Again this is fun. But you have not explained your fetish for the police. Who taught you this nonsense?

                            Given how black people are overpoliced, sentencing disparities, and outright overt racism, why would you default to defending police as not being racist and part of a historically racist social institution?

                            see the section on police and racism:

                            http://fairandimpartialpolicing.com/...

                            http://www.washington.edu/...

                            http://www.theguardian.com/...

                            Again, do start reading those books. It will help you immensely. We need to work on your internalized racism. How did it begin?  Why are so you invested in defending white supremacy?

                            I am trying to help someone who claims to be a person of color who is sick with racism. You need to acknowledge and confront your idolization and excuse making for whiteness and white racism first.

                          •  Nope (0+ / 0-)

                            What quotes show I was defending the cop that killed Gardner- which you said I did?  I have asked 5 times now for you to show evidence for that lie.  ... stop lying about me and changing the subject to straw men, just answer the question. I'd say your pathological lying is the sickness.  

                            Why are you invested in defending homophobia?

                          •  why are you so invested in denying your (0+ / 0-)

                            obvious racism denying?

                            you wrote:

                             Wow there's two (0+ / 0-)
                            out of around 125,000. Yeah it's all over the place.

                            by Mister T on Wed Jul 30, 2014 at 09:27:58 AM CDT

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                            Not hard. Dismissing the obvious fact that there are white racists, white nationalists, kkk members, etc. in the police is an act of supporting white supremacy.

                            again, back to my basic question, why do you so overly identify with the police and stand against what we know, empirically, about their role in supporting the Racial State and white supremacy?

                            I am a humanitarian. People sick w. racism like yourself need and should want to get well. I am patient enough to not give up on you yet. Let us process together. Is this about parenting? Wanting to be the special or exceptional "brown person" so you claim? Was your defense against childhood trauma via discrimination to ally with white supremacy?

                            Come into the tree of trust; help is available. However, you must want to get well.

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