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  •  I haven't said anything about numbers. (0+ / 0-)

    Perhaps you've mistaken me for someone else. I don't know.

    •  no credible evidence (3+ / 0-)
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      of a genocide, merely mass murder.  If  scale, the numbers dead, isn't the difference what is?

      This is clearly aimed at a particular ethnic group, it to me fits the definition of the UN Convention, which I quoted.

      •  Here's where editing responses would help: (0+ / 0-)

        substituting the word "certainly" or "clearly" for the word "merely" would have gone a long way toward inflaming debate.

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        by polecat on Wed Jul 30, 2014 at 12:35:29 PM PDT

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      •  As I said to polecat also in this thread, (0+ / 0-)

        I have no evidence on the RW Netanyahu government's and the IDF's intentions, so I don't see it as fitting the definition of genocide. Reckless disregard for human life? Yes. Murder? Possibly.

        We both condemn the actions being taken. I disagree with the terminology of genocide. You don't.

        •  Intent. (1+ / 0-)
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          Thank you.  Now I know.

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          by polecat on Wed Jul 30, 2014 at 12:38:29 PM PDT

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        •  murder as a crime requires (3+ / 0-)
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          Timaeus, CenPhx, Hark

          intent, if you find it to be murder, you believed there was intent to unlawfully deprive another of life.

          Reckless disregard is less culpable in the sense that you don't have intent to kill, merely are indifferent to the high probability your actions will cause the death of another.    I think that the Israeli actions have gone past 'reckless disregard' into intentional actions.  

          And the UN convention prohibits and punishes actions, not intent.  So acting to kill all or part of an ethnic group or depriving them of ordinary life conditions likely to kill all or part of the group is what fits the definition.  Laws also presume the usual and ordinary consequences of actions are part of intent.  An excuse of "I aimed at and shot him through the heart but I didn't mean to kill him" doesn't negate intent to murder.   An excuse of "We targeted infrastructure such as the power plant and hospitals, and destroyed them, but we didn't mean for that to have a material affect on living conditions for 1.82 million people trapped on a tiny strip of land with few or no other sources of fresh water or sanitation while we blockaded medicines, building supplies and heavy equipment knowing it would take more than a year to effect repairs"  doesn't exactly hold water.

          We can disagree about the meaning of the words, but I don't accept writing in conditions that aren't in the international  description of the crime of genocide.

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