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  •  Damn! That right to know sure is a nuisance. (35+ / 0-)

    Keeping records is what bureucrats have always done since the invention of writing and counting. But, preserving the records and making them accessible to the public for review is a new and unwelcome wrinkle. Secrecy matters. There's no value in what everyone knows.

    •  heh. (6+ / 0-)

      Poverty is not an accident. Like slavery and apartheid, it is man-made and can be removed by the actions of human beings. —Nelson Mandela

      by kaliope on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 04:31:01 AM PDT

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    •  The crooks tell us what everyone knows (43+ / 0-)

      This is what actual journalism looks like:  reporters uncover what powerful people don't want us to know.  It's easy to forget that, since what passes for "journalism" is mostly stenography, or recycled stenography from "pundits" chewing up and regurgitating what the powerful people  choose to tell us.  

      Cuomo names a commission on corruption, then closes it down within weeks when it sniffs around him.  Almost comical, if it weren't about such serious matters.  The facts presented here indicate almost a prima facie case of witness tampering, unless the commissioners come up with a much different story under oath than the coordinated spin Cuomo's minions manufactured.

      Who resigns first:  Christie or Cuomo?

      I stand with triv33. Shame on her attackers.

      by Dallasdoc on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 05:03:38 AM PDT

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      •  I'm not in favor of resignation. It undermines (8+ / 0-)

        the authority of the public to fire the miscreant.
        Of course, term limits do that, too. Which is why I'm not in favor of those either.
        Automaticity is not a boon. Automatic is a loss of control. Which is why I don't like automatic transmissions either.

        •  I'd take resignation (28+ / 0-)

          Having a choice between Zephyr Teachout and whatever Republican Some Dude is running against Cuomo would give New Yorkers a real choice in the upcoming election, instead of the current choice between two Republicans.

          Public service is a privilege, one which if abused should be surrendered.  Resignation in humiliation with prosecutors closing in is sufficiently punitive for me.

          I stand with triv33. Shame on her attackers.

          by Dallasdoc on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 05:23:35 AM PDT

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          •  No, public service is a job. If the servant is not (5+ / 0-)

            trustworthy, s/he has to be fired.
            Privilege has no place in a democracy. Privilege is contrary to equality. Privilege is contrary to justice. Privilege = private law.

          •  Astorino's the Republican Some Dude (7+ / 0-)

            The Republican running against Cuomo isn't just Republican Some Dude. He's Rob Astorino, who was reelected Westchester County Executive (after defeating the Democrat who'd run the county for decades, lately getting his son mayor of one of its largest cities). Which means he's organized, he's got "executive experience" as well as election victory experience, he's got plenty of rich backers, he's got a story of "appealing to Democrats" in the majority Democratic county, yadda yadda yadda.

            Zepyhr Teachout would most probably lose to Astorino. Even though Astorino is a lying twerp. New Yorkers have seen Democrats Cuomo and Spitzer devolving into squalid scandals, with Paterson between somewhat squalid himself and clearly not competent to govern the state. Previous to them Republican governor Pataki sucked, but escaped without significant scandal and "seems competent" (also, was a mayor from Peekskill in Westchester with the same power base). New Yorkers very well might go Republican again. Certainly lots of them outside NYC think of Rudy 9iu11ani as the Republican brand under which Astorino will run, and Rudy and Pataki will be out there.

            Plus, most New Yorkers will say "what kind of name is Zephyr Teachout"? And "what is the "Working Families Party"?

            Really I hope Cuomo will win reelection to save us from Astorino. If the scandal had  come prior to the Democratic primaries season then NY might have a choice of a better Democrat, but it didn't. Perhaps if Cuomo resigned after reelection we'd at least have a Democrat from Lt Governor Duffy, who I also don't like but who's better than Astorino or any Republican.

            In other words the best this scandal can do is stop Cuomo from fouling a 2016 Democratic presidential primary cycle that he wouldn't win.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 09:10:03 AM PDT

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            •  Actually Better (6+ / 0-)

              Wait - after reading another comment in reply I noticed that Lt Gov Duffy's not running for reelection. Instead Kathy Hochul will run with Cuomo. She seems a decent substitute for Cuomo, though perhaps as smalltime as Paterson was (by the same design). Though not as smalltime or pernicious as Astorino would be.

              "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

              by DocGonzo on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 09:14:19 AM PDT

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            •  Astorino has already vowed (7+ / 0-)

              to open the whole state to fracking and work to repeal the gun safety law.  He will ruin NYC's water source, as well as upstate from Buffalo to Albany down to the PA border.  

              Our water comes from a well, 150 ft down.  Geologically upstate NY's water is one giant interconnected underground basin circulating from the Finger Lakes, into the the major rivers such as the Genesee (flows north from PA to Rochester) and the Erie Canal.  

              Maybe some think they will buy bottled water, but just wait until the water goes bad in 100's of dairy farms.  Gonna buy your 200+ head of milking cows bottled water?  Want to buy milk tainted with fracking chemicals???   Vegetables & fruit?  

              I'm not thrilled with Cuomo, but so far he has stalled fracking.  And I'll take some campaign corruption over a ruined corrupted water supply for 100 plus yrs into the future, and turning this state into WVa & PA.

              This Moreland Comm. stuff may put enough pressure on Cuomo, that he has to appease us anti fracking people to get votes. We haven't given up for 6 years, and unlike WVa will NOT go down without a fight.  We are pushy NYers!  

              As for LT Gov Bob Duffy - he was once the police chief & mayor of Rochester.  While mayor he had to deal with threats to the Rochester water supply from a potentially polluted Finger Lake.  Plus he has relatives in WVa.  I have spoken to him personally, and on this water issue there is awareness of the consequences of fracking.  Not only to the water, but to public safety (crime in drilling areas) and condition of infrastructure.  

              Astorino is baaaaad.  Be careful what you wish for in NY.

              •  What I Wish For (3+ / 0-)
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                Well, I live in Westchester where Astorino has coasted since running on a Teabagger reform promise. He cut services (and my neighbors' jobs) to save me $20 off a very large tax bill. It's been obvious to me he saw election as getting on the Pataki train to greater influence in the Republican Party, probably by running for governor and perhaps winning - and perhaps beyond that. So, as I said, I wish for less Astorino even at the expense of more Cuomo.

                I'm not thrilled with Cuomo, but so far he has stalled fracking.

                Yes, because Cuomo needs to appease us anti-frackers while he runs on a NY Democratic base. First for reelection to governor, then immediately (at least fundraising) in the 2016 Democratic presidential primaries. But once safely into late 2016, regardless of where that finds him, he will release the fracking hounds.

                Which is one reason why I'm eager to see this Moreland scandal take him out in 2015. Especially since there's the possibility that Lt Governor (candidate) Hochul could be better at running the state than all these clowns.

                "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                by DocGonzo on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 12:16:59 PM PDT

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                •  Glad to know you oppose fracking - (1+ / 0-)
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                  but I'll take my chances with Cuomo against Astorino.  If the legislature goes further Repub under Astorino's coat tails, that will also bring fracking sooner than later.  Anything we can do to stall fracking to build more momentum and time we are for.  Some courts are starting to come around.  

                  I probably will not vote for C in Sept primary, but will in Nov.  As gov, Astorio will have immediate impact with appointments to regulating bodies.  

                  Your tale of tax reduction under Astorino is telling.  I think Cuomo's appeal as a nationwide candidate is considerably overestimated.
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                  Then there is the SAFE Act, as pointed out by a post below.  We have considerable wooded acreage, and keeping the gun happy away from it every fall/winter is a battle.  We are probably the only ones on our rural road who don't have an arsenal.  

                  After 47 years here, and literally the first ones to build a house on the road, we are finally getting some respect from those who share the road with us about our antipathy toward guns and aimless joyriding on OTR bikes and snowmobiles.  We PAY (via a gift card at a local grocery store) a local farmer to plant and cut hay to keep a field clear. Helps with his fuel costs.    

                  •  Against Astorino (1+ / 0-)
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                    I thought I'd been pretty clear from the beginning here that I'm against Astorino and prefer seeing Cuomo reelected. I expect to vote for Cuomo (again) in November, while hoping he's forced to resign soon after in favor of Hochul. Probably a fairly common approach this year. Which means Cuomo very well might switch to a Lt Governor candidate whose replacing him would inhibit people from seeking his resignation.

                    Yes I oppose fracking. I mentioned earlier in this thread that I want Cuomo out after reelection but before the 2016 campaign because he'd otherwise allow fracking once he goes national. Only the corrupt don't oppose fracking.

                    I think that between the Moreland corruption and the PA bridge coverup that Cuomo is protecting too many fronts at once. I expect that since the Moreland is such a high level corruption that it will actually connect to the PA coverup. I'm sure that Cuomo's partnership in it with Christie should have been part of the Moreland Commission's investigations.

                    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                    by DocGonzo on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 02:08:40 PM PDT

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                    •  Thanks for the explanation - (1+ / 0-)
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                      But I have less faith in your ideal timing scenario actually coming to pass.  Getting cynical in my old age!  

                      Not into counting chickens before they hatch, especially in NY state politics. ;- $

                      Glad to know of your opposition to fracking in NYS!  I have rarely been a one issue voter, but this matter comes close.  We also know several engineering, geology, biology people from upstate colleges (Cornell, Hobart, NYS experiment station, Extension, Finger Lakes Commun College, Colgate, on-air TV weather people) and they are all opposed.  

                      If Duffy has any influence once he leaves office and doesn't have to tow Cuomo's official party line, we believe he will oppose fracking too.  He just bought a chunk of house/real estate on Keuka Lake to retire to.  The wineries along the slopes of the Finger Lakes are all dead set against fracking.  Any road trip on any East Lake Rd or West Lake Rd of any of the lakes will show plenty of "NO FRACK" signs.  

        •  Yes resignation! (6+ / 0-)

          But after the election so the LT Gov.-Kathy Hochul-gets to be the Gov.  :)  I worked for her congressional campaign in Western NY--she would be an excellent Gov!!

          Not being able to do everything is no excuse for not doing everything you can. - Ashleigh Brilliant

          by dmac on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 06:05:42 AM PDT

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      •  I was going to make almost exactly the same (32+ / 0-)

        comment, so thanks. Hilariously, Cuomos corruption commission inadvertently stumbles into Cuomo on one of its very first outings and he responds with "Not ME, you nincompoops, THEM!" and then disbands them.

        I'm still curious about the Christie/Cuomo phone call reportedly made during Bridgegate where Christie supposedly asked Cuomo to put a muzzle on Patrick Foy. When I say "reportedly", it was actually reported in the WSJ: Governors Spoke Privately About Bridge Controversy

        After that story broke, both governors denied that they had such a discussion, although my Spidey sense went off bigtime when Christie said he had to call Cuomo a second time to confirm that they didn't have the conversation. Really? Anyone else find that strange? Either you did or didn't have the conversation.

        I also thought Cuomo's denial was pretty darn tight-lipped and cagey.

        The story of that phone call was dynamite in a jar, since if there was any iota of truth in it, you would have had two sitting governors, both former prosecutors, colluding on how to derail an internal investigation within the Port Authority over possible illegal activity involving deployment of public assets for private gain.

        “Human kindness has never weakened the stamina or softened the fiber of a free people. A nation does not have to be cruel to be tough.” FDR

        by Phoebe Loosinhouse on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 05:43:05 AM PDT

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      •  Cuomo didn't shut it because it sniffed his dirt.. (8+ / 0-)

        He shut it because he created the commission for leverage against the legislature, not to fight corruption.
         

        "It was March 29, less than 72 hours before the state budget deadline. Mr. Cuomo announced a budget deal with lawmakers that included some modest improvements in state ethics laws — strengthening bribery and corruption statutes and enhancing election-law enforcement.

        Only when a reporter asked did Mr. Cuomo address the fate of the Moreland Commission and its more ambitious mission. The governor said he had achieved his goal of a deal on legislation, so the panel would be shut down."

        NYT 7/23/14

        The whole thing was just an election year stunt to look good.

        "Before its demise, Mr. Cuomo’s aides repeatedly pressured the commission, many of whose members and staff thought they had been given a once-in-a-career chance at cleaning up Albany. As a result, the panel’s brief existence — and the writing and editing of its sole creation, a report of its preliminary findings — was marred by infighting, arguments and accusations. Things got so bad that investigators believed a Cuomo appointee was monitoring their communications without their knowledge. Resignations further crippled the commission. In the end, the governor got the Legislature to agree to a package of ethics reforms far less ambitious than those the commission had recommended — a result Mr. Cuomo hailed as proof of the panel’s success."
        NYT 7/23/14

        The whole thing was a sham and Cuomo should resign...

        "Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism." Tommy J.

        by Dissentinator on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 08:07:40 AM PDT

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