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  •  good points (7+ / 0-)

    "Eye witness" accounts always need to be looked at with a grain of skepticism.  The explosions may not have been caused by ignition, but possibly from pressure built from below.

    It's all speculation right now, but Dr. Box claims methane measurements with confirmation from Alaska and Canada.  We just won't know for sure until we get more data and more scientists can do better analysis.

    •  Pressure Explosions? (11+ / 0-)

      If not from ignition, then the pressure from below would have to be extreme. Which would mean slightly less extreme resistance from a frozen cap. But I'd think that would leave frozen shrapnel around the crater, which a qualified investigator would see, in place of ignition products. Again, I don't see why there would continue to be any doubt.

      Also, to be clear, the detected methane coming from the permafrost is the highly alarming proven phenomenon. Along with the "vast methane plumes" coming from the Siberian Arctic Ocean as reported this week on DKos (but measured since 2012), the methane transition from ground to air is some of the worst news I've ever heard. Even if these craters are unrelated to methane, and are in the "UFO" category, the manifesting methane threat should be frontpage news everywhere now.

      "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

      by DocGonzo on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 08:50:41 AM PDT

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    •  I am curious about this too (4+ / 0-)
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      Lightning strikes make the most sense for ignition.

      Wouldn't the pockets, while trapped, lack enough oxygen to create an explosion?  

      It seems that there would need to be some event prior to the explosion to introduce oxygen to the pocket, and create enough of a fuel mixture to create such a catastrophic explosion.

      Unless there is no explosion when the pockets go pingo.  

      There would be an equilibrium of the downward pressure from the ground and the upward pressure from the gas.  A small fissure in the ground could cause the ceiling to collapse, causing the violent release of all that pressurized gas without combustion.  This release should create the craters we are seeing.  

      The evidence would be around the crater.  Either the ground and surrounding vegetation would be burned, or not.

      A lack of combustion would explain the heightened presence of methane in the atmosphere around that area.

      •  Aren't we observing the Earth from space? It oc... (2+ / 0-)
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        Aren't we observing the Earth from space? It occurs to me that, were one of these to occur at night, we should be able to analyze the spectra of light from the explosions (assuming, of course, that there *is* a flash of light) and conclusively determine that it is, in fact, methane.

        Or is that not possible with what we have in place in orbit right now?

      •  methane (3+ / 0-)
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        trapped in ice crystals for eons will expand dramtically when the ice melts- like a ballone popping- maybe it's not an explosion, since no combustion- but I suspect that once the breaching gasses reach the atmosphere, there will be a handy spark around somewhere...

        BTW methane is a much worse greenhouse gas than CO2, especially in the short to middle term.

        •  An Explosion (0+ / 0-)

          can be sound waves without any ignition at all.  Remember those toy sound guns that were taken off the market because they could damage hearing?  Couldn't the sudden escape of the methane produce sound without fire?

          Enjoying the Age of Aquarius so far?

          by sendtheasteroid on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 12:58:05 PM PDT

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      •  You said: (0+ / 0-)
        A lack of combustion would explain the heightened presence of methane in the atmosphere around that area.
        No aspect of the causation of the three phenomena has anything at all to do with atmospheric methane concentrations measured at Tiksi, Russia.   Only the diarist and the British journalist are conflating a claim that Dr. Box's data has something to do with evidence or causation of the 3 phenomena.  Dr. Box didn't say that.

        The entire claim that atmospheric methane concentrations at Tiksi, Russia a pertinent and relevant to the investigation of the 3 sites of the phenomena is a figment of the diarist's and the British journalist's imagination.

        Only measurement of methane emission rates from the 3 pits in question would be relevant and pertinent.

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