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  •  That "unless" is getting thinner and thinner (4+ / 0-)

    the longer we let this go on.

    •  True. It's a contest between the human capacity (4+ / 0-)
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      for rational choices and blind naked short-term self-interest.  Unfortunately, we have some powerful social formations (corporations) that select for and empower people who act on short-term self-interest. It will take a lot of widespread awareness and political engagement to counter that.

      --------------------- “These are troubling times. Corporation are treated like people. People are treated like things. …And if we ever needed to vote, we sure do need to vote now.” -- Rev. Dr. William J. Barber

      by Fiona West on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 05:32:25 PM PDT

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      •  No, Not At All. (2+ / 0-)
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        Humans have a million year history of living with environmental limitations, scarcities, extreme privation, all kinds of stressors.

        Humans and their traditional cultures are a marvel of ability to choose for very long time horizons; as some Native American tribes prescribe, decisions must be made "with the 7th generation in mind."

        This has nothing to do with human capacities.

        This is about modern (post nomadic, especially industrial age) systems of government and economies which have had negligible time to evolve and develop and be selected for strengths and weaknesses.

        Our modern systems of government --all of them-- developed entirely in an extremely anomalous perfect storm of vast surpluses of new territories to be settled and developed, allowing the masses to be uncharacteristic major property owners, and technological explosion almost all of which was shaped by a transitory phase of technology that could be owned and built by the masses.

        These are some of the stupidest control systems that could be designed, chief among them the American Constitutional system, for profound deference to individual greed at minimal responsibility to society in numerous dimensions.

        There must be scores of fatal flaws in our modern systems; one that we revere as a high value above the system itself is our surrender of knowledge and the conduct of civic discourse to the strongest global private forces that are able to dominate. We recognize two fundamental rights of theirs to assert, extending to lying about the most important elements of events and our governance, while we recognize no right of society or of the people even to participate, much less to check or balance, in the mainstream public square.

        There aren't adjectives for the idiocy of our system, we've run right out of the dictionary.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 05:46:14 PM PDT

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        •  On the other hand, (0+ / 0-)

          the original settlers of Australia didn't learn to adapt to a very spare environment until they'd created that from the far lusher continent they'd first settled.

          And the inhabitants of Easter Island kept cutting down trees to erect the statues that gave them importance until there were no trees left.

          We have a particularly short-sighted system right now, at the worst possible time, but we're not unique in our short-sightedness.

          •  I've heard that recent discoveries suggest it (0+ / 0-)

            may not have been the humans on Easter Island who did in the trees.

            It may have been the rats they accidentally brought with them.

            The rats kept eating the seeds of trees so voraciously that the trees couldn't re-grow.

            Of course, that was also the humans' doing, by bringing the rats.

            © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

            by cai on Thu Jul 31, 2014 at 07:14:56 PM PDT

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