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  •  See below, (2+ / 0-)
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    accumbens, PorridgeGun

    He gave specific examples, but they were mixed with blame for "congress" in general.  So it was a fail.

    I really cannot understand why this is such a difficult message for Obama and dem leaders.  

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Fri Aug 01, 2014 at 12:20:21 PM PDT

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    •  So same ol', same ol' (1+ / 0-)
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      The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt. Bertrand Russell

      by accumbens on Fri Aug 01, 2014 at 12:23:53 PM PDT

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    •  Must be listening (9+ / 0-)

      differently. He clearly pointed out that the House Republicans were the problem. Several times. On several different topics.

      •  Soundbites (0+ / 0-)

        It's not enough to mention the house republicans sometimes or even most of the time, it must be all the time or else it won't get through the media to the uninformed voters.

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Fri Aug 01, 2014 at 05:22:21 PM PDT

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    •  He has to maintain a balance (0+ / 0-)

      The President is supposed to be above partisanship, so calling out a particular side is tricky. The public would react negatively if it seemed like he was attacking the opposing party only because he's a Democrat.

      •  the POTUS is supposed to be above partisanship? (3+ / 0-)
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        PorridgeGun, Subterranean, MPociask

        really?

        I don't recall anyone saying this during Rcon administrations at all

        Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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        by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Aug 01, 2014 at 02:21:01 PM PDT

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        •  Democratic Presidents should be above partisanship (0+ / 0-)

          (much like Democratic Congresses)

          Republicans, not so much.

          ...at least, according to Beltway "wisdom".

          •  All presidents should be above partisanship (0+ / 0-)

            I don't think my post was particularly controversial. Presidents have to be careful when they launch attacks against the opposing political party, because the White House is supposed to be bipartisan and advocate for the well-being of all citizens. I'm not talking about expressing a polite disagreement with an opposing party but outright negative attacks.

            If Obama just bashed Republicans all the time, it would be seen as unpresidential, stand-offish, and whiney. He has to use a softer tone and balance it with friendlier language. Notice his smiling "Stop hatin'" remarks recently. When specific events arise, like that of this week, it gives him an opportunity to single out the right-wing in the Republican party, but even then, he balanced it with criticisms of Congress in general. All these things are considered when words are written for the president to deliver to the nation.

            Some people here wonder why Obama doesn't flat-out tell people to go out and vote for Democrats in November. Well, because in a time of a humanitarian crisis on the border and around the world, he would be using the position of the White House to tell people to vote for his party, and it would turn people off. The vice president is in a better position to act as bulldog and more proactively campaign. For better or worse, the presidency is perceived as too sacred to abuse in that fashion.

            It also works the other way--suing the president or trying to impeach him also turns people off, and current polls reflect that.

        •  During Dubya's admin (1+ / 0-)
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          The onus was always on the democratic congress to work with the president to giterdone.  I remember Dubya calling on dems to stop interfering with the will of the American people.  The media were happy to point out all the obstruction perpetrated by the dems.

          "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

          by Subterranean on Fri Aug 01, 2014 at 05:25:20 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, really (0+ / 0-)

          The general public, which doesn't follow politics as closely as we do, reacts negatively to partisan attacks from the White House. It also alienates people the administration has to work with. So the president has to maintain a balance in his attacks. If he just bashed Republicans every day, it would backfire. The events of the week, however, give him a justification to single them out specifically, but he was careful to portray an image of "Can't we just get things done together?" bipartisanship.

          •  i did not see "the general public" (0+ / 0-)

            reacting negatively to partisan attacks from Bush

            they ate it up with a spoon

            Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
            Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights to talk about grief.

            by TrueBlueMajority on Fri Aug 01, 2014 at 11:02:30 PM PDT

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            •  After 9/11, Bush got away with a lot, but (0+ / 0-)

              if he had come out and said, "You should vote for Republicans this year because the Democrats are unpatriotic obstructionists," there would have been a reaction. Like it or not, it's not the way disagreements are expected to be expressed by the president. Minions could go on the attack like that, but the president couldn't without a backlash over such "unpresidential" remarks.

      •  So Obama's not supposed to call out republicans (0+ / 0-)

        for their unprecedented obstruction?  For thwarting the will of the American people?  He's just supposed to smile and say "thank you sir may I have another?"

        You political cheerleaders are something else.  

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Fri Aug 01, 2014 at 05:24:09 PM PDT

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        •  Political cheerleaders? (0+ / 0-)

          Put down your boxing gloves. I'm just being honest about how the general public and the media reacts when presidents come off as too partisan in criticizing their opposing political party. Obama has to strike a balance. Remember how the media attacked his administration for singling out Fox News and Rush Limbaugh?

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