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  •  No, she can't... (2+ / 0-)
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    VClib, doc2

    ...Seriously, the Ventura win was a fluke when there was a three way general election and he came out marginally ahead, due in part to his own name recognition.  Zephyr is showing no sign of resonating with the electorate 4 weeks before the Primary, likely due in part to marginal funds raised.  And even if she holds the WFP slot going in to November AND Cuomo and Astorino battle each other's numbers down, Teachout isn't likely to be picking up 1/3 + 1 of the electorate to slip past them.

    I have nothing against her ideology, but you still need to be a good politician to get elected in NYS, and she's not one.

    •  Is this a false equivalence: (2+ / 0-)
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      rebel ga, elwior

      "being a good politician" = "having raised a lot of money"?

      What I'd like to see (call me an idealist among other monickers) is when we like someone's ideology, we do what we can to forward the campaign, rather than simply letting the wealthiest donors decide who 'resonates with the electorate" by spending tons of money while we say, "Oh, she has only marginal funds so she cannot win."

      •  Yes I'll call you an idealist... (1+ / 0-)
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        doc2

        It would be great if we didn't have a political system that required significant amounts of campaign advertising, and thus required  significant fundraising.  But we do, especially in New York State.  Now there are certainly some candidates who can do a good job with limited resources, but there's still a measure of scale in play.  Teachout has raised $230,000 to date; that's not enough to fund a NYC-based campaign (where most of her votes would likely come from), much less a statewide race.  

        I'm not intending to be snide about this, and Cuomo has no great appeal to me, but I've worked on enough losing campaign over the past 35 years to learn not to let what -I- think of a candidate to cloud my judgement about what the total electorate will think.  I'm asked to contribute to a lot of campaigns, so I've learned to do deep research into a candidate's prospects.  Teachout will allow progressive activists to feel good by "sending a message" to the establishment Democrats, but not much else.

        If you feel differently, give me a convincing argument as to how she puts together a campaign effort that will overcome all of Cuomo's financial and political resources.

        •  I'm not a professional at campaigns (2+ / 0-)
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          rebel ga, elwior

          so all I've got, and I say this sincerely, is what I think and who I think can inspire me. If I can only send a message, and I hope it's more than that, so be it. Was it Debs who said (pardon paraphrase) he'd rather vote for something he believed in and lose than vote for someone/something he didn't want?

          •  Neither am I... (0+ / 0-)

            ...but I've gotten to know people that are. and I have a realistic understanding of how politics workd.  I'm delighted you'd be ready to lose for the sake of ideological purity, but I live in the real world where, if the Democrat doesn't win, the Republican does.  If President Cruz appoints the next Justice Scalia will you be content to say: "well, at least I stuck to my principles"?

            •  I live and vote in NY (0+ / 0-)

              so until things change significantly, I have the luxury to vote my conscience.

              •  Fair enough--at the national level... (0+ / 0-)

                How does Governor Astorino sound to you?  New Yorkers (Democrats included) WILL vote for Republicans here.  I see kno sign that Teachout would be any better prepared to win as the Democratic nominee.

                •  in unlikely event Teachout wins primary (1+ / 0-)
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                  El Bloguero

                  there will be national $ help for her

                  astorino is a clown

                  teachout has the same job Obama had 10 yrs - law professor

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                  and her low probability of winning primary increases a little everyday

                  I'm voting, I'm giving $, I'm volunteering

                  •  Barbara Buono... (0+ / 0-)

                    ...weak candidate (lost 68-30) in NJ last year, and national $$ didn't come to her either.

                    I know the people at DGA; they don't have the financial resources to support hopeless causes, and I wouldn't want them to.

                    (nb - the fact that Obama was a compelling political candidate doesn't mean all law professors are).

                    •  who knows (0+ / 0-)

                      but Buono was running against incumbent;

                      even Cuomo didn't say her name

                      if ZT gets to next round she'd be against nobody Astorino with very little money; I suspect people will help her at that point; maybe not DGA but, well somebody might

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