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  •  I disagree with your conclusion: (16+ / 0-)
    The real question is:  When will any of the actual candidates running stand up and disown the vile attacks by their party chairs or even candidates within their own party as beyond the bounds of civil discourse?
    For me, the real question is: Is there any level of crazy / hateful which is a negative, and not a plus, with the majority of Kansas voters?
    •  Far too harsh (31+ / 0-)

      While Kansas has been a red state we were also a state that elected Sebellius and Dennis Moore, Boyda and moderates in the last decade.  There is a point at which residents don't views this as ok

      Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle
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      by Chris Reeves on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 04:33:30 PM PDT

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      •  And the voters now (20+ / 0-)

        are those that still were able to go through good public schools before Brownback went in to destroy it.

      •  I sure do hope (19+ / 0-)

        Kansas voters register their displeasure with these attacks at the ballot box. I would love to see people say "that's enough".

        •  We're working on "that's enough" (14+ / 0-)

          And so far so good. Thanks for the good wishes.

          What's really discouraging is friendly fire from Kossacks who seem to know all about Kansas without ever bothering to visit. Even from states who elected Andrew Cuomo, Issa, etc. It might work better if they would just wish us luck in our efforts rather than call us crazy and/or hateful.

          •  I will admit.. (17+ / 0-)

            That is a major problem we have here.. and why I keep highlighting these stories.  

            Sure, a lot of Kansas races are a bit of a longshot.. but you know what, there are a lot of people absolutely busting ass in a way that I haven't seen in this party in 20+ years.  That isn't some outsider, that is someone who has lived here through that time period.   I have never seen a more hard working, dedicated group of people who are absolutely taking it to Republicans in meetings and races all over the state.

            Whether or not we win every race, we are outright building party for the future.   We're registering new voters, introducing ourselves to new communities and rebuilding this party.

            This takes a lot of effort - I've went through three sets of tires and 60k miles so far over the last 18 months.  And I'm not the only one who is beating the hell out of the road for change.   We have candidates who are absolutely working their ass off - a real change from past Kansas races where candidates would run as sacrificial lambs.  

            Whether or not they can win is far different from the fact that it is really easy to write them off early and say 'not possible'.

            There is a very real opportunity here, especially if Wolf keeps up his antics and so does Huelskamp to so alienate Kansas voters - the moderate Kansas republicans who backed the like of Dole and Graves and Sebellius when she ran that you end up sweeping a lot of people out of office.

            How do I know it?  I know it because Brownback couldn't get 200 people together in Kansas City for a Rally and in Emporia they pulled together 170.   That's comparing a community of a few hundred thousand to a community of 24,000 residents.  

            I know it because when we livestreamed broadcast out of Hutchinson (Reno county) we had an UNBELIEVABLE number of Kansas watch the live stream and send in email and donations.

            I know it because I have more people show up at events than I have seen in years.

            So, as far as I'm concerned people can hop on the train and help out or just be quiet.

            I never ask in these diaries for people to donate money they don't have or to invest on the promise of a sure thing.  If you want to invest in a sure thing go back a Democrat in a bright blue district.

            No, I'm here trying to get a few people to chip a $5 or a $10 now and again.   Frankly after 10 years only one other time on DK have I recruited for a candidate and guess what?  That candidate won.  

            Now, I don't think Kansas will sweep out all of the house members.   But we will force Republicans to spend national money in a bright red state which helps democrats all over the country.   The little money we spend here causes a lot of unforced errors - their are a lot of democrats in other states who should thank Todd Akin  for their jobs.   The same thing happens here.

            When I say to people: consider investing in Sherow, I'm not saying it because he's a sure thing.. I say it because his small money campaign is the tick on the dog that can cause that dog to do OUTRAGEOUSLY stupid things that will help every race all over the country.   Huelskamp is that kind of character.

            The same way of a Gohmert and a Bachman or a Palin.   There is a strategy for forcing Republicans to fight a fight they aren't prepared to fight.   It doesn't take a lot of money, but it does take some.

            But I'm not going to apologize at any point for asking Democrats to consider a longshot candidate or candidates with real upside.   Because that's what it is all about.

            So, for those that want to say: Just focus on Margie because she can win - I respond: yes, I will focus on Margie, because I think she is a fantastic, truly fantastic candidate and if you can only donate to one she is it.   But if you've got $100 and you want to build party where there isn't one, split some out and give to Kelly and Jim and a few house races here and you can see something pretty crazy happen.

            I say this because I've seen it.   I have never in my life been present for some of the meetings I've seen this year.  Meetings that 4 years ago would have seemed impossible - unthinkable - for a Democrat to get into some of those rooms and potentially pull some of those endorsements.

            So, that's what I'm about.. for people that follow my diaries, they probably get it at this point.. but if we walk out with one house win (or more) and a few in the state house, then no one will say 'it can't be done' and everyone will be praising those who put in the hard effort to do something that others quit on.

            Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle
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            by Chris Reeves on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 08:36:31 PM PDT

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            •  tmservo433, hv U considered making an ActBlue page (2+ / 0-)
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              covering all the Kansas candidates you are supporting?

              •  Im unsureof how that would work/look (1+ / 0-)
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                Yes, it would be nice to compensate for my gas money and the like, which right now is coming from my self funded LLC, but I'm not sure it would work that way.  

                I've thought about it though.  

                Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle
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                by Chris Reeves on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 06:59:49 AM PDT

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            •  Thank you for that. (2+ / 0-)
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              I get discouraged sometimes, because it seems to me that so many people are so easily taken in by the hucksters and charlatans of the GOP who promise everything will be great if we just cut taxes.

              Kansas has demonstrated once again exactly what happens when you cut taxes. When you cut taxes, government receives less money for the things we all want, like schools, roads, pensions, and law enforcement.

              No matter what happens in Kansas, I will continue to vote and contribute to the people who reject the GOP trickle-down nonsense and support sensible and sustainable economic policy. But it would be very encouraging to see common sense prevail there as well.  

               

            •  Three sets of tires in 60k miles??!? (1+ / 0-)
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              Wow.  What's the treadwear rating on your tires?

              I went through two sets of tires in the first ~25k on my 07 Camry.  Then I learned about the treadware rating, which tries to estimate how long tires will last relative to one another.  The factory tires had a pretty low rating, and I found a tire with much higher rating at Costco.  I spent a little bit more per tire, but they've lasted twice as long (I'll end up replacing them this fall when Costco has another sale, between 50k and 55k miles).

              Sorry for the off-topic comment...but hoping to help save you a few $$ in the long-run.

              -j

              •  Really two (1+ / 0-)
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                Since the first set had miles.. But I ditched the car once on a dirt road damaging two tires that had to be replaced, making for a wiped out second set.  

                Gandhi's Seven Sins: Wealth without work; Pleasure without conscience; Knowledge without character; Commerce without morality; Science without humanity; Worship without sacrifice; Politics without principle
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                by Chris Reeves on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 10:18:54 AM PDT

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      •  You're right about Kansas general elections. (1+ / 0-)
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        I re-read my post and I goofed and didn't say what I actually meant.  Instead of "majority of Kansas voters" I should have said "majority of Kansas Republican primary voters".

        Kansas moderate Republicans have at times been willing to vote for a conservative to moderate Democrat when the Republican nominee is too far to the right for them.

        And I should say more often that just like other solidly Red states, Kansas has a large minority of Democrats, though in addition to being a minority we've also been heavily gerrymandered which reduces our influence even further.

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