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  •  Feiglin's remarks are ugly enough (2+ / 0-)
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    no need to decorate them with embellishments.

    •  There are no "embellishments" there. (18+ / 0-)

      Let's see what words he used, shall we?

      The IDF [Israeli army] shall designate certain open areas on the Sinai border, adjacent to the sea, in which the civilian population will be concentrated . . .
      In these areas, tent encampments will be established . . .
      until relevant emigration destinations are determined.
      Those are concentration camps and deportation, just as claimed.

      No "decorations" required.

      Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

      by Celtic Merlin on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 05:04:34 PM PDT

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      •  And (2+ / 0-)
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        The who insists on staying and proven that has no connection with Hamas will be required to sign a public statement about citizenship to Israel and will receive a blue identity card is similar to that of Arabs in East Jerusalem.
        Readmission.
        •  He STILL proposing concentration camps (19+ / 0-)

          and deportation.  That paragraph you quoted doesn't mitigate the FACT that he's proposing concentration camps and forced deportation.

          As I stated factually - no "decorations" required.  The asshole is proposing concentration camps for and forced deportation of people who do not share his ethnicity.

          You can't mitigate his bigotry no matter how hard you may try.

          Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

          by Celtic Merlin on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 05:14:15 PM PDT

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          •  Are you kidding me? (4+ / 0-)
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            How do you force deportation of people you have just said you will readmit if they insist on staying?

            I don't have to mitigate his bigotry, it's a matter of fucking public record.  He's a weasel, an anti-Christian and anti-Muslim chauvinist, a libertarian cretin and an ex-con.  He also doesn't have the balls to chase his hateful rhetoric to its natural conclusion.  These are facts, and not even the most important ones. The most important fact is he's a fringer who has zero influence on the current government.

            •  How? (18+ / 0-)

              At the point of a gun, as is usually done.  Or a tank.  Or drone strikes. Threat of Death will get people aboard the deportation boats REALLY fast - just like it can clear whole neighborhoods of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip over the last 3 weeks.

              Besides, those who "insist" on staying will also have to somehow prove that they never supported Hamas.  Much like, "Are you now or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party?"  Same thing.

              If I can find the link, I can show you his earlier plan where he demanded that Gaza be re-settled with Jews and only with Jews.  As in, none of the 20% Arab population of Israel will be allowed to live on that valuable beach-front property which is the Gaza Strip.  Exactly like with the colonies that Israel currently builds in the Occupied Palestinian Territories of the West Bank.

              The man's plan unquestionably calls for concentration camps and forced deportation.  You can't deny this.  It's right there in his words - which I quoted for you, but you refuse to acknowledge.

              Concentrations camps and forced deportation.  It's ethnic cleansing - a war crime and a form of genocide.

              He's a naked racist.

              Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

              by Celtic Merlin on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 05:50:20 PM PDT

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              •  Here's the link (0+ / 0-)

                http://www.jewishisrael.org/...

                One, Hagai Segal proposed ethnically cleansing Gaza, on the theory that this was somehow analogous to the Sharon government's evacuation of the Israeli settlers.

                Moshe Feiglin, the weasel that he is, believes he could bribe Arabs to leave Gaza.

                Of course he's a naked racist.  The fucking record proves it.  Bull Conner was a naked racist, but Bull Conner wasn't a genocidal maniac.  Genocide is the most heinous act that can be committed, and it is a crime that shouldn't be attributed to common bigots.

                •  Because you may have missed it: (14+ / 0-)
                  Sovereignty – Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever. Liberation of parts of our land forever is the only thing that justifies endangering our soldiers in battle to capture land. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel. The coastal train line will be extended, as soon as possible, to reach the entire length of Gaza.
                  LINK - READ IT ALL!

                  This man is popular enough in Israel to not only get voted into the Knesset, but to gain a high post in its body.

                  How lovely!

                  Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

                  by Celtic Merlin on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 06:02:47 PM PDT

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                  •  The man was shuffled off to a meaningless post (0+ / 0-)

                    because he tried to force Likud to defrock Netanyahu.

                    I read it when it was published, and I've read it again several times since.  At some point, you're going to have to acknowledge that we agree the man is a racist, that the man wants Gaza for Israel and that he would like nothing better if the Gazans chose to leave.  Thing is, he's also a craven piece of work who can't stomach dirty work.  So he's invented this crazy notion that Gazans want to leave, and would do so only if sufficiently compensated.  Has no idea where they'd go, or what they do.

              •  FOUND THE LINK FOR YOU, rduran! (9+ / 0-)

                I'm certain that a person who is so right-wing on Israel as you seem to be will have faith in the truthfulness of the reporting in the Israel National News, right?

                Permit me to quote the entire relevant paragraph for you:

                Sovereignty – Gaza is part of our Land and we will remain there forever. Liberation of parts of our land forever is the only thing that justifies endangering our soldiers in battle to capture land. Subsequent to the elimination of terror from Gaza, it will become part of sovereign Israel and will be populated by Jews. This will also serve to ease the housing crisis in Israel. The coastal train line will be extended, as soon as possible, to reach the entire length of Gaza.
                The balance of his earlier proposal is every bit as PUTRID as this one paragraph.

                Enjoy it.  Want a spoon?

                Celtic Merlin
                Carlinist

                Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

                by Celtic Merlin on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 05:59:28 PM PDT

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        •  "proven that has no connection will Hamas" (8+ / 0-)

          Coupled with commitment to Israeli citizenship? Please.  

           Followed by issuance of "blue identity" cards.  

          •  The man's a racist prick (0+ / 0-)

            But he's also a craven weasel.  

            •  He's also an MK in a high post within that body. (10+ / 0-)

              He is an elected representative of the Israeli people, not some blogger or newspaper editor.  How did he get elected?  He holds a position of power within the Knesset (how did he achieve this post) and has proposed (it seems twice now) the ethnic cleansing of the Gaza Strip with the use of concentrations camps and forced deportation of those who are now living there.

              Are you an Israeli citizen?  I ask this legitimately because you have been working hard to mitigate this racist's words from your very first reply to MrJayTee in this comment thread.  Yes, you have denounced him AS a racist, but you seem to feel that there may be something redeemable in his proposal.  Something "not so bad" as concentration camps and forced deportation - which you called "decoration" and "embellishments".

              Or, are you just trolling your ass off?

              Struggle with dignity against injustice. IS there anything more honorable that a person can do?

              by Celtic Merlin on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 06:33:43 PM PDT

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              •  That high post is one of several deputy speaker (2+ / 0-)
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                positions that essentially mirror the presiding officers in our own houses.  He has no power beyond his own small constituency in Likud, and is in fact an enemy of the current Government.

                He got elected because there are bigoted pricks in Israel, just as there are in any other country.  Including ours, for Chrissakes.

                I'm a Black American atheist raised in the AME Zion Church (no relation).  I've in Israel for a grand total of five weeks in my life.  That shouldn't matter one goddamned bit.

                I haven't once attempted to mitigate this racists' words.  I've denounced them in their accurate totality.  I've denounced deliberate embellishments introduced for what appear to be the sole purpose to draw a parallel between Israel's policy and Nazi Germany.  

                There is nothing redeemable about his proposal.  There is a segment of his proposal that roughly parallels a standard refugee evacuation plan (what has been called a "concentration camp" in this thread).  I doubt that this was his intention; he's effectively advocating the same thing the US did to Japanese Americans during World War II.  That said, I object to the term "concentration camp" for the obvious reasons and the fact that the term is not used and is only inferred by accident of translation.

                I ain't exactly old hat at DK, but I'm pretty damn sure you should know that I/P brings up sharp disagreement.  You just ran into some; I'm certain you can deal with it without resorting to accusations of trolling.

          •  hey they can sew them on their clothes so (1+ / 0-)
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            everyone knows!
            I said this above but couldn't resist after reading your comment.

            without the ants the rainforest dies

            by aliasalias on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 11:31:49 PM PDT

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        •  will they have to sew those blue identity cards (1+ / 0-)
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          on their clothes?
          Btw what rights are being considered for Palestinians?

          without the ants the rainforest dies

          by aliasalias on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 11:27:43 PM PDT

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