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  •  Oh come on (2+ / 0-)
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    Laws can be wrong.  And even setting that aside we are talking about a system where black and latino people are far more likely to pay the consequences of breaking this wrong law than white people are.  So what are you going to do: track down a bunch of white people who used marijuana and did NOT pay the consequences, and hand them a nice shiny arrest record just to be fair?  Or does the lack of fairness simply not matter to you?

    •  Yes, laws can be wrong (0+ / 0-)

      but the answer is to CHANGE THE LAW not ignore it.

      There will be at least one diary on this site this week about Republicans claiming some justification for ignoring some Federal law or regulation.  They will be roundly criticized and reminded of the Supremacy Clause in the Constitution.  Yet some how when Colorado and Washington do the same thing with marijuana they are heroes.  

      Missouri tries to claim "freedom" from federal gun laws and that is pointed out as unconstitutional and stupid.  Colorado does the same thing for pot and that progress.  Really?

      As for fairness - people break laws all the time.  Most of do the mental math on the chances of getting caught and the consequences of getting caught and decide.  Some times we get lucky.  I drove from Lexington Kentucky to St Louis Mo AVERAGING 87mph because starting early on a Saturday morning I just happened to encounter no traffic (heck no cars at all) and no law enforcement.  No doubt someone else got a ticket on that road for going over the speed limit but slower than me.  Fair?  Probably not.  But we both knew we were breaking the law and we both knew the consequences and at least in my case I accept responsibility for my PERSONAL DECISION to break the law.  Lots of people smoke pot every day and never get caught while others can't go two days without being busted.  But both are breaking the law.  The not caught people just do a better job of not getting caught.  

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 06:16:13 AM PDT

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      •  So, in order to change a b/s law you...what? (1+ / 0-)
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        When black Americans decided to "take the beating" and violate the rule of law by having a soda pop, moving forward on the bus, voting their conscience, speaking their mind, crossing the street, what they should have done was be good law abiding citizens and trust their fellow white voting Americans and their elected officials  to do the right thing? And when states of the union began to allow these terrible criminals some latitude in spite of what the rule of law was out of sheer embarrassment for allowing those things to exist out of pure indifference, those states should have been reminded that if they didn't like the laws they should change them, not break them?

        It seems to me that your argument was likely resounded around the country as the reasonable thing to do versus such lawless behavior. I dare they? We have laws and people should adhere to them whether they like them or not.

        Something that really pisses me off is the vacuum of understanding that pot prohibition was never....NEVER about THC, but rather a successful campaign to rid the country of the notion that hemp was soon to be the death of the environmentally repulsive and completely unnecessary petrochemical and lumber textile industry.

        And, that the only way to make that pesky, God given, miracle hemp plant go away was to make you believe that by it's association with a mildly medicinal plant that has been used for thousands of years was actually created by Satan himself for the express purpose of turning teenage boys into hormonal anarchists bent solely on finding out what sex is all about.

        What will be the argument when entrepreneurs decide to grow harmless hemp plants and start building houses with them? That it is too difficult to determine the sex of a crop plants? That hardcore criminals are hiding cannabis in the rows?  

        •  wow (0+ / 0-)

          did you really just equate the civil rights movement with legalizing the "right" to be stoned?  Did you really equate the suffering and oppression of millions based on nothing but the color of their skin with restricting the number of chemical intoxicants deemed acceptable by society?

          Funny thing - of the 190+ countries in the world recreational pot is legal in how many?  That's a pretty successful campaign

          It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

          by ksuwildkat on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 09:14:08 AM PDT

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          •  No, I just aksed you how it is possible to change (1+ / 0-)
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            a b/s law by simply trusting that elected officials will someday concede that laws they know are contrary to all reasoning and are, in fact, not even supported by the majority of their constituency.

            And as I said, these laws were never about the right to be stoned or some b/s classification of a "chemical intoxicant" infinitely less dangerous than the celebrated and now legal chemical intoxicant, alcohol. They were about textile companies maintaining their competitive edge.

            Just as jim crowe laws were never about anything BUT "the suffering and oppression of millions based on nothing but the color of their skin" for the sole purpose of perpetuating the myth that Michelangelo and da Vinci had it right when they depicted Christ as a white person.

            If you have a beef about weed then don't smoke it. No biggy. It is cool to be different. But don't suggest that a corrupted decision in congress will ever be changed without actually challenging that law in the public sphere. I'm sure you know better.

      •  Funny, that's my solution too (1+ / 0-)
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        Don't break the law.  That's why you don't see me smoking pot every weekend despite my intense political opposition to narcotics laws and their effects.

        That doesn't make the "it's the law, silly" argument any less brutal.

        •  Amen. It really is that easy. (0+ / 0-)

          Consensual crimes are, by definition, a crime against yourself for the alleged benefit of saving your moral soul or preventing you from victimizing yourself and influencing others victimizing their selves. And since the law prevents me from refusing to charge myself of said offense or arguing that I'm responsible for my own health and eternal salvation I am left only with complying with that law or lose my freedom in order to protect the notion that if I want to change that law I need to find and vote for a representative that has the courage to admit that virtually nobody really agrees with the law and it needs to be changed because it is straight up bull**.  

    •  check this out (0+ / 0-)

      3 days in jail for speeding.

      It is well that war is so terrible -- lest we should grow too fond of it. Robert E. Lee

      by ksuwildkat on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:23:49 PM PDT

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